2002 Z71 Tahoe - Tosion Bars

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TexasTahoez71

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I have a 2002 Z71 Tahoe with 268K miles that I have had since new. The only thing I have done to modify the suspension is add rear air bags. I used to tow around a Jeep with a 2300lb car hauler. It has been about a year since I have towed anything that heavy. Rebuilt the entire front end at 215K including Bilstein shocks.

My Tahoe just began leaning on the left in the front about 3/4 inch.

How do you know if your torsion bar or bars are bad? Do they even go bad?
Does the torsion bar mount go bad?
Could it be the shock on the right?
Body mount?

Can't really find anything out there on the web.

Thanks!
 

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Technically, yes, torsion bars can go bad, and loose some spring. But 3/4" seems like a lot. And someone correct if I'm wrong. But don't believe shocks hold up a vehicle. Have you looked at front jounce stops? Could be bj's, control arms, bushing ect.... but don't not look at torsion bars. Maybe try cranking that sides key up a bit. I know, temporary solution. But look aroumd. Hard to say. Maybe someone else has had issue
 

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But 3/4" seems like a lot. And someone correct if I'm wrong. But don't believe shocks hold up a vehicle.

As much as it goes against logic, I've seen shocks interfere with ride height and I learned this from experience. On Toyota Tacomas the rear shock mounts are at different heights which requires different length shocks between the driver and passenger sides. It sounds ludicrous...but when I replaced shocks I installed them on the wrong sides and the truck did not sit level...I swapped them to the proper sides and it sat level. I wouldn't believe this if it hadn't happened to me. So...crazy question: Are your front left and front right shocks identical?

Whiteout touched on some great things to check. The only thing I'd add to his list for items to look for is making sure the 1) making that the torsion bar keys are seated properly and 2) that the bolts are threaded the same on both sides.
 

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On Toyota Tacomas the rear shock mounts are at different heights which requires different length shocks between the driver and passenger sides. It sounds ludicrous...but when I replaced shocks I installed them on the wrong sides and the truck did not sit level...I swapped them to the proper sides and it sat level.

What? I've had 2 Toyota Tacomas (one being the 1st Gen [1995.5-2004] and the other being the 2nd Gen [05-Current]) and neither have different length rear shocks. The shock mounts are at the same position on either side of the frame, as well as, on the axle. Now Tacomas do have the "Tacoma Lean" due to the gas tank, battery and driver all being on the left hand side.


Also, shocks don't have anything to do with ride height. The ride height is all in the leaf springs/coil springs. Shocks are only for dampening and rebounding so that you don't bounce allover the road and have positive feedback when braking and taking turns. The valving in the shocks is all set to how much rebound and dampening you want. If you have a shock that changes how a truck sits, then you have a shock that is stuck or has improper valving.

To the OP's question, Yes, torsion bars can go bad just like shocks and coil springs can go bad. A Torsion bar is a lateral spring and as your front suspension cycles through its movement, the bar twists (thats where the spring comes from). As the years and miles go by, the torsion bar looses its memory and so it starts to stay in a very slightly twisted state. What does your alignment look like? That can usually give it away as to where the problem is.

It wouldn't hurt to check out your body mounts as they do collapse in time due to weathering, vibrations and the breakdown of the rubber material.
 
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I just replaced my front shocks this weekend. Shocks do hold up the front end. I replaced the pass side first then went to the drivers side there was a noticable difference in ride height. Once I change the drivers side it was level again. I would check the shocks first.
 

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I just replaced my front shocks this weekend. Shocks do hold up the front end. I replaced the pass side first then went to the drivers side there was a noticable difference in ride height. Once I change the drivers side it was level again. I would check the shocks first.

Q. Shocks / Struts will hold up my vehicle or change it's height....
A. Shocks (or Struts) do not really hold up a vehicle. For example, if you ever took shocks off your pickup-truck or RWD car before, you know when you set it down off the jack, it sits pretty much the same as it did before you took the shock off. What "holds" the vehicle up is the coil springs, leaf springs, or in some cases, a torsion bar.

Tell me, if shocks hold up a vehicle, then why do we even have springs and coils under our vehicles??? Shocks are there to absorb the shock of the suspension cycle.
 

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Lentus you are WRONG! I am telling you what happen Saturday afternoon. My truck was on dive on ramps. I changed the pass side shock first there was a noticeable difference in height from the driver’s side. I don't care what you say. It just happened. There are no coil springs on the front of a NBS truck there are torsion bars. No one is saying that a shock is the only thing that holds a vehicle up, it is just an additional component. I am sure when the shocks settle in the normal ride level will return, but at swap I guarantee you it raised my truck, PERIOD!

Shocks and springs work as a team to absorb the shock of the suspension. This is why there are gaps between the coil springs to allow the spring to absorb the energy of a shock to the suspension system. The shock stabilizes the vehicle during this energy absorption keeping the vehicle from bouncing continuously.
 

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Lentus you are WRONG! I am telling you what happen Saturday afternoon. My truck was on dive on ramps. I changed the pass side shock first there was a noticeable difference in height from the driver’s side. I don't care what you say. It just happened. There are no coil springs on the front of a NBS truck there are torsion bars. No one is saying that a shock is the only thing that holds a vehicle up, it is just an additional component. I am sure when the shocks settle in the normal ride level will return, but at swap I guarantee you it raised my truck, PERIOD!

Shocks and springs work as a team to absorb the shock of the suspension. This is why there are gaps between the coil springs to allow the spring to absorb the energy of a shock to the suspension system. The shock stabilizes the vehicle during this energy absorption keeping the vehicle from bouncing continuously.

That Q&A paragraph was from a suspension specific website that I trust. It is kind of hard to disagree with the professionals. The reason why you may think that your Tahoe has been lifted is because you were used to the tired, weak shocks that were previously on there and it was causing the truck to have a bad front rake. With the new shocks, you now have tight, stiff and proper valving in the shocks that makes it seem like the truck has been lifted. So, really your Tahoe is set back to stock height, not lifted and instead of the piston in the shock being towards the bottom end of the shock body, it is now in its correct position which is somewhere in the middle or higher. Also, I've serviced so many GM trucks and SUVs that I know that the Pre-07 platforms had torsion bars...

The only shocks that are designed and engineered to hold up a vehicle are some of the leading shock companies for the offroad community. One brand in particular is Fox Racing that manufactures the Air Shox.

Ok, springs and coils do absorb the shock from the roads, however, the springs and coils DO NOT absorb it all. That is what the shocks are for. They are to smooth out the shock created by the springs/coils and to slow down the movement so that you do not loose control of the vehicle and is comfortable.

The torsion bars are, like stated before, a lateral spring and as you go over bumps, the torsion bar twists and creates the spring characteristics. Lets say you were cranking your torsion bar keys, as you crank up the bolt, you are artificially creating the twist in the torsion bar which then applies leverage to the hexagonal shape in the lower control arm that then makes the truck lift upwards.

Your shock has nothing to do with this. When you replace your shock, lifted/lowered/or stock, you are only controlling the ride.... not the ride height.


http://www.mobil1.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/DIY/Replacing_Shock_Absorbers.htm
 
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Lentus, go back and look at what the original poster asked. He said one side of his truck was lower than the other side. If one of his shocks was bad it could cause that side to be lower than the other side.

Now go back and read the first paragraph of your last post. You are agreeing with what I said. No one here is talking about shocks being a lift kit, we are just trying to diagnose why his truck is leaning to one side.
 

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