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Now that I am starting to assemble the motor what kinds of things should I know as far as keeping the internals of the engine clean

Just be careful. You don't have to keep it like the Ebola virus laboratory. Don't assemble your engine with the shop doors open during a wind storm. Be mindful of the crusty wire loom that can flake off and fall into sensitive places (the engine, not you- you shouldn't be mechanicing naked.)

Refer to the pics in my thread. I kept the cylinders coated with a spray of WD-40 and covered the block with a heavy duty 55-gallon trash bag when not working on it. I put the block in the bay with the heads off and cylinders wide open. I periodically blew the cylinders out. I'd rotate the crank to put the piston to the top, blow it off again then put it back down in the cylinder again to see if there was any dirty oil rings left on the cylinder wall where it reached TDC. I'd wipe it and repeat until it left a clean ring. Lifters were stored in Tupperware containers (cheap Walmart version) that held eight in each of them vertically. I submerged them in oil and used an old push rod to press each seat down a few times to purge the air out and get 'em solid before installing them. I have a blow gun with a thin needle extension that I used to blow out each head bolt hole from the bottom out. I sprayed brake parts cleaner (using the red straw) down into each head bolt hole then dried it with the blow gun needle. I put a paper shop towel around the bolt hole so anything coming out didn't spray me or the exposed cylinders. Gave it all a final blowing and wiping of the lifter and cylinder bores before reassembling.


...and what to do for my first startup? I was told a few different things, one person said to use engine cleaner like kerosene and let that idle for a bit and then change the oil immediately to help get all the gunk out of the motor, should I also flush the coolant? Another person said to pour a quart of oil over the valves before installing the valve covers.

So far I've just been using a shop vac to try to keep things clean. Occasionally I'll run a magnet on a stick around to see what I find but I haven't found anything of concern.

I'm a bit extra when it comes to first starts. I used lots of assembly lube, including packing the oil pump so it'd naturally try to suck oil through the inlet. I made an oil primer, powered off my compressor, to push oil through the system while I rotated the crank until oil flowed from all rockers. I poured oil over all the rockers before installing the covers and coils. I had a little bit of pressure on the gauge when I turned the key on before even starting it. I held the pedal to the floor and cranked the engine for 2-3 cycles at ten seconds each to prime the oil system with the pump. I left the coils unplugged at the main harness connector and cranked the engine for an additional ten-second cycle to purge the air from the injectors. Then I plugged in the coils, set up my phone to record and bumped the key as normal. It fired up as if nothing had ever happened with no sputters, no ticks and immediate pressure.

I used cheap 10W-30 conventional oil (Super Tech from Walmart) for that first start. Even if you use cheap oil, you should always use a good filter. My is the K&N, but since I was changing it soon, I saved a couple bucks and used a Fram Gold. I let it come up to operating temp as I checked for leaks, checked fluids, etc. Took it around the block (about five miles here in the country) then back home to change the oil and filter. I think I did another round of the conventional Super Tech and Fram Gold for that one. Anyway, took it back out for another shakedown and ended up doing some asshattery including donuts in the parking lot of the Community Center. Did a solid burnout in the driveway in front of my shop to make sure the looseness I felt in the trans was just the new torque converter and wasn't a slipping trans. Left piles of rubber and permanent scars in the concrete. Put a couple hundred miles on it then switched to Pennzoil Platinum and K&N filter to finish out the 5K-mile OCI. Switched to Rotella T6 oil from there on out.

There's no need for chemical flushes. Those are if you're trying to dissolve gunk from an engine left in a running and driving the vehicle. Yours is open and looks really clean. Let the regular oil flow flush it. Keep it clean with good oil and regular changes and gunk won't have a chance to build up.

As for the coolant, I filled mine with distilled water and a Prestone liquid flush for the first start. Excessive, yes. I could've just used hose water. Anyway, a hundred or few miles later, I pulled the outlet hose off the radiator and let it drain while I poured in a couple more gallons of distilled through the water pump's inlet hose. Distilled water at Walmart is (or was) around $0.93/gallon at the time. I drained as much as possible of everything, including blowing it out with compressed air through a high-volume gun. Reassembled everything and filled with a 50/50 mix of Prestone concentrate and distilled water (the Dex-Cool compatible "red stuff".) and purged the system. Mixing it yourself is much cheaper than buying the pre-mixed. With pre-mix, you're paying almost the same for half the coolant.

Of course, I had to repeat the re-fill and purging less than a year later when my radiator sprung a leak. :confused: And I'll be doing it again when I replace my water pump, which I should've done during the original engine work. :doh2:
 
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@iamdub can I install the timing cover first and then install the oil pan after that? I feel like im encountering some binding on one of the front oil pan bolts because I did the timing cover before I did the oil pan
 

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@iamdub can I install the timing cover first and then install the oil pan after that? I feel like im encountering some binding on one of the front oil pan bolts because I did the timing cover before I did the oil pan
I had similar issue with those two bolts underneath as it didn't seem to line up. I used a wooden lever (hammer handle ) to adjust the oil pan to get a better fit with some wiggling. Another reason I will remove engine if I do this again
 
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I had similar issue with those two bolts underneath as it didn't seem to line up. I used a wooden lever (hammer handle ) to adjust the oil pan to get a better fit with some wiggling. Another reason I will remove engine if I do this again
Yea when I was under the motor there seemed to be a bit of a ledge between the block and the timing cover but figured the RTV would take care of it.

Do the timing cover and oil pan need to line up a certain way? I hope I didn’t goof up by installing the timing cover first
 

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@iamdub can I install the timing cover first and then install the oil pan after that? I feel like im encountering some binding on one of the front oil pan bolts because I did the timing cover before I did the oil pan

I always install the front and rear covers first then the oil pan last. This is actually the proper sequence, per factory design. The front and rear covers have specific installation steps that are very important as they locate the covers properly in relation to the crank. If not followed, the seal(s) will wear out really quickly and leak. The specs account for the materials stretching and cover being pulled when the bolts are tightened, yet the cover is still centered to the crank.

There are tools to center the cover both with the seal in place and without. I install the crank pulley enough to let it hold the lip of the seal to center the cover but also support it so that gravity isn't letting it put more pressure on the top portion of the seal. I use a precision straightedge and pivot the cover until it's evenly above the skirt of the block on each side, but within specs.

You might have the cover tilted, making one side hang below the skirt while the other side is higher.

There are jigs you bolt to the block to properly position the covers. They're ideal when working on an engine in the bay. But, IMO, they're too expensive for a one-time use.
 
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I had similar issue with those two bolts underneath as it didn't seem to line up. I used a wooden lever (hammer handle ) to adjust the oil pan to get a better fit with some wiggling. Another reason I will remove engine if I do this again

This. Wanting to reseal mine and ensure the covers and all were as precise as possible is why I removed the engine. I didn't wanna be trying to align the covers from underneath, trying to eyeball and measure gaps from awkward angles, in tight spaces and with light from a flashlight skewing my vision.
 

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To further iterate how much engineering is put into the design of the crank seals, they're to be installed dry (no lubricant on the crank pulley or crank where the seal's lip contacts). The seal is made with a slight extra amount of material on the lip than necessary. When dry, the material wears to the profile of the crank or pulley soon after the initial start-up for a "custom fit", ensuring a strong seal.
 
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I always install the front and rear covers first then the oil pan last. This is actually the proper sequence, per factory design. The front and rear covers have specific installation steps that are very important as they locate the covers properly in relation to the crank. If not followed, the seal(s) will wear out really quickly and leak. The specs account for the materials stretching and cover being pulled when the bolts are tightened, yet the cover is still centered to the crank.

There are tools to center the cover both with the seal in place and without. I install the crank pulley enough to let it hold the lip of the seal to center the cover but also support it so that gravity isn't letting it put more pressure on the top portion of the seal. I use a precision straightedge and pivot the cover until it's evenly above the skirt of the block on each side, but within specs.

You might have the cover tilted, making one side hang below the skirt while the other side is higher.
@iamdub Got you, I guess I didn't understand the instructions for this step, the book said to keep the bolts loose until the cover was aligned but didn't think much of it.

I think I'll start by removing the water pump and trying to loosen the timing cover bolts with the harmonic balancer on it still, I haven't turned the balancer so I feel the front crank seal shouldn't be damaged. Then reinstalling the oil pan again, right now its loosely installed. Then going back and tightening down the timing cover bolts once the oil pump is mounted.

Dropped my heads off at a local machine shop to be cleaned this morning.

Any other goofball things I should keep an eye out for? lol
 

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I always install the front and rear covers first then the oil pan last. This is actually the proper sequence, per factory design. The front and rear covers have specific installation steps that are very important as they locate the covers properly in relation to the crank. If not followed, the seal(s) will wear out really quickly and leak. The specs account for the materials stretching and cover being pulled when the bolts are tightened, yet the cover is still centered to the crank.

There are tools to center the cover both with the seal in place and without. I install the crank pulley enough to let it hold the lip of the seal to center the cover but also support it so that gravity isn't letting it put more pressure on the top portion of the seal. I use a precision straightedge and pivot the cover until it's evenly above the skirt of the block on each side, but within specs.

You might have the cover tilted, making one side hang below the skirt while the other side is higher.

There are jigs you bolt to the block to properly position the covers. They're ideal when working on an engine in the bay. But, IMO, they're too expensive for a one-time use.
Not that I am planning on tearing the front of the motor apart TODAY, but this is the kind of invaluable information that I come here for. Thanks @iamdub I will definitely be referencing this post when I do my AFM delete and ported 799s next year.
 
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Today was productive.

I removed the water pump and was able to loosen the timing cover.

I removed the oil pan and cleaned all the black RTV off of the pan and gasket and reinstalled it, it lined up much better with the timing cover this time. I was able to get the oil pan set, then I torqued down the timing cover and then torqued down the oil pan.

Installed water pump.

Installed lifters - didn’t realize how tight they sit in their trays and the block.

Cleaned and installed the heads. The instructions on the ARP head bolts say to keep certain things clean which was impossible for me. Torquing the head bolts was interesting, I much have used too much bolt lube because some of the head bolts I could not hand tighten. Regardless I got everything no torqued down on both sides. Tomorrow I will go over the head bolts again with the torque wrench to be sure.

This weekend I will be starting my Tahoe for sure. I want to start it before I finish installing the front diff in case I do need to drop the oil pan again, for the 3rd time. Need oil and coolant and to install the intake and exhaust manifold and button up the radiator and she will be ready to start.

I feel pretty good about how things are going, my only thought is I never torqued the oil pickup tube, I just snugged it down with an impact.

Also the AFM VLOM connecter remains unplugged now?
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