Oil Question- Synthetic or non?

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I'm getting ready to change the oil for the first time in my new(er) Hoe, but I had a question about the oil first.

I had heard recently, although I don't know where, that for daily drivers that are mostly stop n go traffic commuters, that normal oil is better than synthetic.

Has anyone heard this? I can't remember why the radio ad or whatever it was stated said non-synthetic is better. And I can't think of any reason why it would be.

Thoughts?
 

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This is not true.

The truth of the matter is that synthetic oil will out perform conventional oil in all conditions, but especially in stop and go traffic. Viscosity break down is one of the main determining factors in the service life of the oil and directly effects how well an oil protects. Conventional and synthetic have different service recommendations for extreme operating conditions verses normal operating conditions. The thing to remember is that most people think that just driving slow and easy is normal service, but stop and go traffic on hot or cold is actually more extreme than say highway driving. Because of this, the most extreme conditions, besides an extremely heavy foot and racing, is when you only commute maybe 20 miles or less in stop and go traffic. A person who commutes 30, 40, 50 or more miles daily, and does so at a steady pace where it isn't stop and go is going to be closer to normal.

That being said. a conventional oil designed to go 3-7K miles is not going to be able to protect as well as an oil designed for extended intervals. The reason is actually quite simple, on a molecular level, conventional oils have all different sized molecules. Some that are let's say small like this . and some that are larger like this 0 . When the oil is flowing through the hot engine, the larger particles move slower than the smaller particles and as a result they tend to accumulate at the sides of the galley walls and wind up "burning up" creating sludge. The smaller molecules flow through the center of the flow moving faster. Well, one of the jobs of the oil is to assist in carrying heat from the engine to the oil pan to be cooled by the flow of air across the pan. But if the oil is flowing at minimal pressure with no air flow in stop and go traffic on a hot day, etc. The burning "effect" is going to be exagurated. This will also make the cooling system work harder because the flow of air into and across the engine isn't there from moving down the road. Thus, you wind up with oil that is quickly breaking down and losing it's ability to protect your engine.

Synthetic oil molecules are uniform in size and flow evenly through the engine. This results in more of the molecules being able to make contact with the galley walls helping to carry the heat into the oil pan. While also not getting "burned" along the sides of the galleys causing sludge. Because they are designed to maintain their viscosity longer, they do not break down as quickly as conventional resulting in better overall protection for your engine.

Synthetic will cost you more to purchase, but in most cases regardless of brand, you have the ability to extend service intervals while providing superior protection. However, no matter what oil you plan to run in your truck, make sure that you follow the service interval recommendations of the oil manufacturer.
 

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Chris,

Great explanation. So, your response brings up a question on synthetic intervals. You mention with standard mineral oil, every 3-7k. What about for synthetic? How often should we be changing?
 

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Chris,

Great explanation. So, your response brings up a question on synthetic intervals. You mention with standard mineral oil, every 3-7k. What about for synthetic? How often should we be changing?

That depends. Every lube company has different recommendations for their oil service intervals. But, for the longest "warrantied" interval, the only one like it in the lubrication industry, that is 3 times more than the factory recommended intervals, Amsoil is the only way to go.

Mobile I, Royal Purple, Valvoline, and the rest ARE good oils for their specified recommended intervals, etc. However, to get as good or in some cases much better protection that is going to save you money on your annual maintenance costs, none of the others can really compete.

With a factory recommended service interval of 7500 miles on our trucks for the most part, with Amsoil, you can actually go up to 22,500 miles or one year whichever comes first. That is when used with an Amsoil EA Oil Filter.
 
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Wow, Chris. That was a much more detailed answer than I expected (appreciated, as well).

Since you brought up the brand types, shouldn't a Valvoline (or other) synthetic last longer than a Valvoline standard oil? You mentioned 7500 miles for a recommended service interval. That's based on standard oil, right? If so, does that mean that I could push the miles further by using a synthetic oil? (Or course, this takes into account the type of driving, extremeties of the driving environment, etc.)
 

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Wow, Chris. That was a much more detailed answer than I expected (appreciated, as well).

Since you brought up the brand types, shouldn't a Valvoline (or other) synthetic last longer than a Valvoline standard oil? You mentioned 7500 miles for a recommended service interval. That's based on standard oil, right? If so, does that mean that I could push the miles further by using a synthetic oil? (Or course, this takes into account the type of driving, extremeties of the driving environment, etc.)

That is actually a very good question. The OEM intervals on SOME vehicles are for conventional. Those with the 7500 mile intervals come with synthetic from the factory, so they are not set up for running conventional. For running any kind of conventional, no matter what the factory recommendation is, I would not run convetional for more than 3K miles. Just like the old days, yes, you save money for the initial purchase, but no matter how well the conventional is formulated, it is still going to break down very quickly compared to synthetic of any brand.

That being said, no matter what oil you go with, make sure and do your homework on the what that oil manufacturer recommends for that particular oil for service intervals.
 

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what about trucks with over 125,000 miles could they just change to a synthetic oil without problems?
 

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what about trucks with over 125,000 miles could they just change to a synthetic oil without problems?

It all depends on the overall condition of the engine. If the truck has had serviced regularly and is in operating condition, ie: no visable leaks or sludge build up on the outside of the engine you should be just fine making the change to synthetic. 125K miles is not as ******* them as it use to be, and conventional oils ARE formulated better than ever before, so they do a decent job if properly maintained. In a nutshell, you have to take vehicle maintenance history and condition into consideration more than anything regardless of mileage.
 

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It all depends on the overall condition of the engine. If the truck has had serviced regularly and is in operating condition, ie: no visable leaks or sludge build up on the outside of the engine you should be just fine making the change to synthetic. 125K miles is not as ******* them as it use to be, and conventional oils ARE formulated better than ever before, so they do a decent job if properly maintained. In a nutshell, you have to take vehicle maintenance history and condition into consideration more than anything regardless of mileage.

i live in michigan. the winters are cold as fuwk and summer can get hot as the devils breath today is 96 degrees. if some oils last 22,500 miles or 1 year which oil weight would i choose?
 

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i live in michigan. the winters are cold as fuwk and summer can get hot as the devils breath today is 96 degrees. if some oils last 22,500 miles or 1 year which oil weight would i choose?

I would recommend the Signature Series 100% Synthetic 0W-30, this oil has a cold pour point of -51* and a high temperature shear stability rating of 150* C or 302* F. The recommended service intervals for this oil happen to be 25K miles or one year for normal service and 15K miles or one year for severe service; unless utilizing used oil analysis to extend further. Yes, you can in most cases extend the intervals further than that, I have seen their diesel oil last past 34K miles using oil analysis to watch it and test every 7-10K, that particular oil change is still in use today.

That is when the oil is used in conjunction with an Amsoil EA oil filter.
 

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