One Piece Tie Rods

[mpope2]

Agriculture is a very strange thing. If I see the German tractor here, we have a lot of tractors witch are from the forties, still driving and in use. And this modern tractors with GPS and complicated electronic ar permanently broken and if such a product is ten years old, nobody can repair that anymore.

I said to a friend of mine at least, when I had a server witch worked for nearly sixteen years, that this is a good product. He said to me a Volkswagen Golf will not reach 16 years and I answered: Isn't that crazy. If you own a 20 year-old Golf and you care for it, it will get another 16 years without problems. If you buy a new Golf, it will never get more than 10 years old.

Sadly we live in manufactured obsolescence. The root of the issue is greed no doubt. My dad has a newer JD, a 42 Farmall H, and a 91 2355 JD. Guess which one is always down and in limp mode vs the other two that won’t die?

I was ride or die GM until 07. Manufactured obsolescence is the only thing they know now. A multitude of issues caused the downward spiral for GM since then. I’ll keep my 2 GMT800s and 1 GMT400 as long as I possibly can. Honestly, I personally will never drive anything newer than an 06 or so for these very reasons. And that’s not just against GM, I’m pointing the finger at everything rolling off lots today.

 

[mpope2]

And more specifically the auto industry has been in a race to the bottom now since the 70s. Product quality across the board continues to diminish with each passing year from OE and aftermarket manufacturers along with the quality of life for those individuals working within the industry itself. Especially on the technician side.

 

[Doubeleive]

if you are eating tie rods then something is not right, I don't think even upgraded thicker ones will help that issue.
I abuse mine more than 99% percent of people out there and have no unusual tie rod issue's
I would have to guess it is the angle causing the problem in which case you probably need different knuckles or some kind of adapter which I have never heard of but maybe a possibility

 

[S33k3r]

My keys in both trucks are now GM whites. If you are unaware, this is an OE key that allows for ALMOST as much adjustment as aftermarket lift keys. They are not indexed as much however. GM put them on plow trucks, etc. for added front end adjustment due to added weight. Last time I checked, a leveling kit on 4wd GMT800s is essentially keys of some sort and longer shocks. I’ve been wheeling IFS GM’s and Toyota’s for approximately 20 years. My tie rod angles on both vehicles are fairly close to how they were originally.

I asked the question specifically regarding higher quality ends, not how to lift my truck. Please take your “expert advice” for how people should perform modifications elsewhere. I also have a GMT400 K2500 truck with the same keys and Moog always gives more years of service on that platform vs the GMT800s for some reason.

When someone, in good faith, is trying to help you -- no matter how ill-informed -- there's no need to be a jerk to them. Keep scrolling an ignore. If you are a real enthusiast wanting to support the community, politely educate the person. But being rude in your replies -- even to just one member -- kind of chills others from wanting to have anything to do with you, much less help you.

I am not and have never been a professional auto mechanic; that said, I have been in and out of vehicle repairs -- including motorcycles -- for over 40 years.

Good luck in solving your problem -- I mean this sincerely -- but I will not bother you with my replies further.

 

[Sam Harris]

When someone, in good faith, is trying to help you -- no matter how ill-informed -- there's no need to be a jerk to them. Keep scrolling an ignore. If you are a real enthusiast wanting to support the community, politely educate the person. But being rude in your replies -- even to just one member -- kind of chills others from wanting to have anything to do with you, much less help you.

I am not and have never been a professional auto mechanic; that said, I have been in and out of vehicle repairs -- including motorcycles -- for over 40 years.

Good luck in solving your problem -- I mean this sincerely -- but I will not bother you with my replies further.

Agreed. That was a complete d I c k h e a d response, and for nothing, except your attempt to assist. Not cool.

 

[nonickatall]

Agreed. That was a complete d I c k h e a d response, and for nothing, except your attempt to assist. Not cool.

Come on folks, we all have the same passion.
Sometimes you say things that you might not mean or come across a bit harsh. Then you can apologize and everyone can get along again.

There are already enough problems in this world, so you don't have to destroy your hobby as well.

 

[mpope2]

if you are eating tie rods then something is not right, I don't think even upgraded thicker ones will help that issue.
I abuse mine more than 99% percent of people out there and have no unusual tie rod issue's
I would have to guess it is the angle causing the problem in which case you probably need different knuckles or some kind of adapter which I have never heard of but maybe a possibility

I average 60k miles plus annually driving in a variety of conditions all across a major metro city in conjunction with plenty of time off highway at our farm. When I say it’s eating them, I mean i have replaced the last two sets of Moog each year. So it’s not like it’s blowing through them super quick but noticeably quicker than in the past. I have owned the vehicle in question since 2006. My setup has been virtually the same since roughly 2008. I’m the past, I have gotten roughly 75-100k miles of trouble free use of of Moog tie rods specifically even with lift keys. Now I get roughly 50k if I’m lucky. Hence the reason for my original question. The only variable in the equation is the product quality. I appreciate the response but something is not “wrong or off”. The knuckles are stock on all three of my trucks. Never had any issues with premature wear until the last handful of years. They simply don’t last like they should. I’ve personally logged over 400k miles on this truck myself. I know it better than I know myself

 

[mpope2]

When someone, in good faith, is trying to help you -- no matter how ill-informed -- there's no need to be a jerk to them. Keep scrolling an ignore. If you are a real enthusiast wanting to support the community, politely educate the person. But being rude in your replies -- even to just one member -- kind of chills others from wanting to have anything to do with you, much less help you.

I am not and have never been a professional auto mechanic; that said, I have been in and out of vehicle repairs -- including motorcycles -- for over 40 years.

Good luck in solving your problem -- I mean this sincerely -- but I will not bother you with my replies further.

Your slick comment about “real lift” is what upset me. It was not needed and obviously completely no help at all. You weren’t trying to help initially, just being condescending regarding a setup that has worked well for me for almost 20 years. I’ve owned the vehicle in question since 2006. If that wasn’t your intention, i apologize. I came here thinking someone else might have some valid real world experience with the product category I initially inquired about. If I had wanted suspension setup advice, I would have titled the tread as such.

 

[mpope2]

Agreed. That was a complete d I c k h e a d response, and for nothing, except your attempt to assist. No

Agreed. That was a complete d I c k h e a d response, and for nothing, except your attempt to assist. Not cool.

a true attempt to assist would have been pertaining to the topic originally posted such as his Kryptonite reference. That is what I was looking for. The rest is hot air. I’m glad I met your expectations of being uncool Sam. Life’s all about approach. If I misread the original comment, that’s on me. D O U C H E

 

[S33k3r]

Your slick comment about “real lift” is what upset me. It was not needed and obviously completely no help at all. You weren’t trying to help initially, just being condescending regarding a setup that has worked well for me for almost 20 years. I’ve owned the vehicle in question since 2006. If that wasn’t your intention, i apologize. I came here thinking someone else might have some valid real world experience with the product category I initially inquired about. If I had wanted suspension setup advice, I would have titled the tread as such.

There is never intentional condescension in any of my posts. If I feel the need to be condescending, I check myself and either respond politely or keep scrolling. I do not want to be immortalized being a dick to someone I don't know and am likely never to meet, whether or not I'm giving advice on a topic not covered by the post's title. And I suspect I know why you are having issues with your suspension wearing out prematurely.