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im about to make a custom switch board to go in my dash with switches for different lights, but i also wanted to add an outlet to plug in my laptop

i hate having the converter hanging from the car lighter socket and then the laptop plugged into that

so any ideas on how to make all of this work? would i still have to use a converter, wire it up to the battery and hide it behind the dash or is there a better way of wiring up an outlet to the battery?
 

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I think you're still going to need an inverter. The car battery is DC, the inverter changes it to AC to be more like a standard house outlet. Of course, the laptop is DC again, so the brick converts it yet again. There might be something out there that would specifically run your laptop off 12v, but if you ever wanted to use the outlet for other things, then you'd be SOL.

I toyed with this idea back in the Jeep. My plan was to take the inverter and hide it, but take the actual socket and mount it in the dash. Take the thing apart, extend the outlet to the dash mount. Kinda make sense?
 
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I think you're still going to need an inverter. The car battery is DC, the inverter changes it to AC to be more like a standard house outlet. Of course, the laptop is DC again, so the brick converts it yet again. There might be something out there that would specifically run your laptop off 12v, but if you ever wanted to use the outlet for other things, then you'd be SOL.

I toyed with this idea back in the Jeep. My plan was to take the inverter and hide it, but take the actual socket and mount it in the dash. Take the thing apart, extend the outlet to the dash mount. Kinda make sense?

my bad, "inverter" lol

yeah i thought of the same thing but thought there might be a more efficient way to do it, the inverter my dad has laying around has a pos and neg thing on the back of it, its like its asking me to plug it directly into the car battery, i thought i would do that, hide it inside the dashboard or engine compartment and plug in some kind of extension from the outlet on the inverter to a nice little spot on my dashboard
 

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Inverter, converter...tomato, tom-ah-toe....same difference. :)

The inverter I have has wires to either connect straight to the battery or plug into a 12v socket. I think it's a Vector, and the outlet part looked like if I took the casing apart, it'd slide right out and fit nicely into a hole in the dash or other panel. The only thing, besides getting lazy, that kept me from doing it was concern about heat. I think if you found a spot to mount it in the engine bay and extend the wires, you'd be fine. Just don't get all G-Fab and plug an extension cord or christmas lights into the thing and run it through the engine bay. (Rope lighting...maybe. lol)
 

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I have my inverter under the center counsel just laying there, then the power wires run to the battery and I extended the plugsto go right under the on star buttons and since i dont use onstar I rigged it so that you press the blue on start button to turn the inverter on and off. I dont have pics now and the truck is in the shop. Hope this helps! let me know if you have any questions !
 
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I have my inverter under the center counsel just laying there, then the power wires run to the battery and I extended the plugsto go right under the on star buttons and since i dont use onstar I rigged it so that you press the blue on start button to turn the inverter on and off. I dont have pics now and the truck is in the shop. Hope this helps! let me know if you have any questions !

the only questions i have are how did you extend the plugs, is your inverter noisy? and how soon can you post pics

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Inverter, converter...tomato, tom-ah-toe....same difference. :)

The inverter I have has wires to either connect straight to the battery or plug into a 12v socket. I think it's a Vector, and the outlet part looked like if I took the casing apart, it'd slide right out and fit nicely into a hole in the dash or other panel. The only thing, besides getting lazy, that kept me from doing it was concern about heat. I think if you found a spot to mount it in the engine bay and extend the wires, you'd be fine. Just don't get all G-Fab and plug an extension cord or christmas lights into the thing and run it through the engine bay. (Rope lighting...maybe. lol)

the engine bay or inside the center console are my two options right now i think
 

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A great Idea that I haven't gotten around to, yet. Since you got me thinking how I would do it I will share my thoughts.

What size inverter? I want to be able to run power tools but not from my dash so I'll put the monster inverter in the back. For the dash, a small one around 400 watts will work fine for laptops and ni-cad chargers. Make sure it's rated continuous duty for what you want to run in it, not PEAK or SURGE.

Example: Your laptop wants 300 watts and maybe you want to charge some camera batteries (55 watts) at the same time. You would use a 400 watt RMS / 800 Peak inverter. These are small, quiet and pretty cheap. Go pick one out at the store.

Hook that baby up normally and plug in your max load like the laptop with low battery or whatever will push the inverter to it's rated RMS limit and let it run a bit to see how hot it gets. Run it inside a closed shoebox. If it stays cool then you are good to go as far as tucking it away under the dash or console. If it gets pretty warm I'd leave it outside the cab or keep it ventilated. Also, this stresses the unit to see if it will run well before the store's return policy runs out. :D

Now that you have the unit and mounting location, you need to feed it. DC has issues with voltage drop over long wires so use beefy wires if going to the battery. 14ga wire (A piece of old outdoor extension cord) will work fine with a 10 amp inline fuse and switch (a lighted one would look cool and geeky). If you put it in the console, attach some stand-offs to the inverter so it don't sit on the carpet for better airflow around the unit.

It's time to put in an outlet. I will use a panel mount receptacle or two. You can scavenge them from an old power strip or get them from someplace like Digikey. Number 17 looks spiffy.

The receptacle will run fine with 18ga wire using a small inverter. I will use an old vacuum cleaner or small appliance cord (with ground) that is comfortably long enough to reach the the new outlet and it already has a nice molded plug on it. For a 400 watter, a 5 amp inline fuse here will give you more peace of mind.

The rest is location and aesthetics. My only concern is that the electronics in a vehicle may not be well shielded against the EMI from an alternating current source under the dash. Maybe a shielded 3 conductor cable from the inverter to the outlet should be considered.

Anyway, have fun with the project and resist the temptation to run a spare set of outlet wires to the seat your mother-in-law normally occupies on those long family trips.

Let us know what you do and take some pics of your handiwork for others to drool over. :)
 

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I did something similiar here:

http://z71tahoe-suburban.com/iboard/index.php?showtopic=20255&hl=

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the only questions i have are how did you extend the plugs

What I would do, if I were you:

1. Buy an inverter with enough power for your needs.
2. Buy a REALLY, REALLY cheap one that you are just going to take apart for the black plug face. Install black plug where you want it on the dash. You may have to do some epoxy on the back, so it doesn't pull out everytime you are removing your laptop's power cord.
3. Go to Home Depot (or your favorite Home Depot type store) and purchase a power cord like this one:

Power Cord

Plug in one side into your converter, and solder the other end onto the the plastic plug outlet you have mounted on your dash.
 

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That was very nicely done, Omar. I never thought about that location and yours looks so sweet I am gonna copy it! :head3:

I might have to make it GFCI protected in case a Big Gulp® riding there gets jounced while the power is on. :D
 

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That was very nicely done, Omar. I never thought about that location and yours looks so sweet I am gonna copy it! :head3:

I might have to make it GFCI protected in case a Big Gulp® riding there gets jounced while the power is on. :D

Thanks!!
 

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