2nd engine failure, waiting since Oct 17/2024

Bkihum said:

I hope so,believe me when I tell you it is a nightmare

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I am not an expert on the subject but I believe Lemon Law does not necessary have age limits so you likely will be able to apply for it. It’s super unfortunate that you rolled the dice and it did not work… twice no less. I hope it gets resolved for you.

KMeloney said:

You'll either never have a problem, or you will and GM will replace your engine.

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This is the key point. These engine failures are caused by out of tolerance lifter bores. Either they're in tolerance or not. No amount of early oil changes, expensive synthetic oil & filter or other methods to preserve engine life will make any difference if your engine is out of tolerance. If it is out of tolerance it's only a matter of time before failure - fortunately for those that do experience the failure it's relatively early life and will fall under the powertrain warranty.

StephenPT said:

This is the key point. These engine failures are caused by out of tolerance lifter bores. Either they're in tolerance or not. No amount of early oil changes, expensive synthetic oil & filter or other methods to preserve engine life will make any difference if your engine is out of tolerance. If it is out of tolerance it's only a matter of time before failure - fortunately for those that do experience the failure it's relatively early life and will fall under the powertrain warranty.

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Totally agree with your view, but do not understand why there is no start and stop point. They only put out a bulletin to the dealers and kept loading the engine to the body and move down the line.
Then the buyer is the final inspector that catches the issue when the engine goes south. ….. Now the wait for replacement starts and starts all over again to wait for the second engine. If you have a dealer that could care less it’s a nightmare.

To add to it too, these engines have been around for so long, one would think the bugs would have been worked out.

Bigburb3500 said:

To add to it too, these engines have been around for so long, one would think the bugs would have been worked out.

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These are “bugs”— they’re the result of a batch of bad parts.

KMeloney said:

These are “bugs”— they’re the result of a batch of bad parts.

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What's a "batch" of parts? Like 3 years worth?

Stbentoak said:

What's a "batch" of parts? Like 3 years worth?

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Well, GM is suggesting that there’s a range— so, maybe!

Bigburb3500 said:

I am not an expert on the subject but I believe Lemon Law does not necessary have age limits so you likely will be able to apply for it. It’s super unfortunate that you rolled the dice and it did not work… twice no less. I hope it gets resolved for you.

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Lemon Laws vary from state to state. As you can see below NY and FL both have a 24 month limit on new vehicles, but NY has an 18K mileage limit and FL have a more lenient 24K mileage limit.

Here is NY law
The New Car Lemon Law protects those who buy or lease new cars or motor homes that turn out to be "lemons." If your car does not conform to the terms of the written warranty and the manufacturer or its authorized dealer is unable to repair the car after a reasonable number of attempts, you may be entitled to a full refund or a comparable replacement car. NOTE: A car is considered new if it was purchased less than two years from its original delivery date and has fewer than 18,000 miles on it.
Here is FL Lemon Law
Time limit: Florida's Lemon Law has a mileage limit of 24,000 miles. You have 24 months from the delivery date of your vehicle to take action under the Florida Lemon Law. Mileage limit: The vehicle must have 24,000 miles or fewer on the odometer, whichever comes first.

Friends son is a 20+ yr gm technician. We were bugging a while back why he is not driving a newer truck (has a 2006). His reason; ever since GM went to these active fuel management (AFM) and now dynamic fuel management (DFM) engines they (in his shop) seen a major uptick in engine related issues. With AFM it was burning oil and now with DFM is lifter failure that often takes out the engine with it. GM does not care, under warranty they fix, after warranty the customer pays and GM makes $ selling the parts. Said a lifter job can cost upwards of $8,000 +- providing it does not destroy the engine in the process. My neighbors 2021 Silverado 5.3L had the lifters destruct at 90,000 miles and they had to pay nearly $9,000 in repairs at a Chevy Dealer. Left him stranded out in nowhere land at 3am on a Sunday. RAM has the same lifter issues. Its all because of EPA and fuel economy goals they have to meet.

GlennSullivan said:

Lemon Laws vary from state to state. As you can see below NY and FL both have a 24 month limit on new vehicles, but NY has an 18K mileage limit and FL have a more lenient 24K mileage limit.

Here is NY law
The New Car Lemon Law protects those who buy or lease new cars or motor homes that turn out to be "lemons." If your car does not conform to the terms of the written warranty and the manufacturer or its authorized dealer is unable to repair the car after a reasonable number of attempts, you may be entitled to a full refund or a comparable replacement car. NOTE: A car is considered new if it was purchased less than two years from its original delivery date and has fewer than 18,000 miles on it.
Here is FL Lemon Law
Time limit: Florida's Lemon Law has a mileage limit of 24,000 miles. You have 24 months from the delivery date of your vehicle to take action under the Florida Lemon Law. Mileage limit: The vehicle must have 24,000 miles or fewer on the odometer, whichever comes first.

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Correct. There is also manufacture buyback agreements that accommodate outlier situations like this one with the OP. It still brands the title as a Buyback unit but does not negatively brand the vehicle as Lemon Law. Makes it easier to resell and usually looks at situations, like Lemon Law, where reasonable attempts have been taken to fix the vehicle, but due to a limiting factor cannot be done.
Great add/find on definition of lemon law! Thanks!