2015 Yukon Denali vs 2015 Expedition

[Lyon]

Also, while the tow ratings SEEM higher they're not, to my knowledge, SAE compliant yet like the GM SUVs. Frankly we have no way of relying on those ratings until we know what test was used to get them.

 

[Reels]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzdioyzSPKA

This 93 has a large tow rating too, just not so efficient.

 

[PokerMunkee]

If the new aluminum F-150 works out, expect the next Expedition to go aluminum as well. That will be sweet, especially if it also gets the same 12K tow rating, giggity!

 

[fiatdale]

I'm still not sold on the Aluminum body being the next big thing. Ask anyone else who does body work - and they'll tell you the same damn thing.

 

[soulsea]

As already mentioned the current expedition is the pos it's been for a long time with a nose job.

As far as using aluminum in the next one I wouldn't be so quick to knock it ... I still question the wisdom of using it for pickups but it works well for SUVs. The RR is an all aluminum unibody construction and is prolly the most capable SUV in the world.

 

[fiatdale]

I don't knock aluminum, its a great material with excellent function. But people who say aluminum is the way to go have usually never worked with aluminum. In terms of straightening, replacing, etc. Parts are more expensive, insurance costs generally higher, time to fix a panel vs. steel - ~2-3x as long, and it pays the same as working with steel. They haven't figured that into all of their "testing" and approval ratings for aluminum.

 

[Goodinblack]

Navigator looks even worse then the expedition

 

[George C]

Theres good reason GM OWNS the market share of full size SUVs. Nobody elses do compare to them. I dont see that changing much with the next gen Expedition / Navigator.

The reason GM owns the SUV market is because Ford has chosen not to concentrate or compete in the SUV market. Ford owns the pick up truck market, and its much more profitable because of the shear volume of trucks sold vs. SUVs

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I'm still not sold on the Aluminum body being the next big thing. Ask anyone else who does body work - and they'll tell you the same damn thing.

Since Ford doesn't have one single solitary aluminum bodied unit on the road yet for any body shop to ...fix, just whom do we ask?
What experience do you have fixing Ford's version of high strength aluminum bodied vehicles?

I'm sure there will be new procedures involved, new insurance adjustments etc., but I would suggest that you embrace the move instead of fighting it. It is the future, at least for Ford, and I guarantee I will be one of the first in line to order a 17' Super Duty diesel.
Since all Ford trucks will now have an instant 700 lb. GVWR and an instant 700 lb. tow rating, expect all others to scramble to compete. Trucks are sold on capability, and the table has been turned upside down.

The material is much thicker than the mild steel currently in use and will resist dents a lot better.
And, and...good-bye body rust....forever....

 

[Reels]

The reason GM owns the SUV market is because Ford has chosen not to concentrate or compete in the SUV market. Ford owns the pick up truck market, and its much more profitable because of the shear volume of trucks sold vs. SUVs

I don't know George, I think Ford made an honest run at GM with the Excursion.

 

[soulsea]

George, you did see the torsion rigidity comparison test right?

The new Ford aluminum frame twists like a mofo to the degree that you can't open the tailgate.

That's why, until they refine their build specs they still have a lot of challenges to meet with their new pickups. SUVs are easier to deal with in regards to aluminum since they offer more natural rigidity without the separation tween the cab and bed.

I commend Ford for taking this leap, but until they get stuff like torsion stregth figured out, if I used my pickup for heavy duty work or serious off roading I would steer clear of new their pickups. If it were just cause I like the look and the most extreme conditions are going to be a speed bump at the mall then I'd go for it. imo