Electric Suburban / Electric Tahoe / Yukon / Escalade EV

[cardude2000]

You have quite the imagination, no one is spending trillions as you claim.

True. We should really just focus on the body count of kids we keep throwing at endless oil wars...not the money.

There’s no price tag on life.

I’ll give you that.

 

[Holy Roller]

Not as cool as this. It seems the internal combustion engive won't go away without a little coaxing. They can't sell an EV without incentives plus artificially raising the cost of ICE vehicles.

"The actions the administration plans to take on the side of raising the price for internal combustion cars include traditional methods like increasing controls on tailpipe emissions, which barely exist in new models these days, and by raising the fleet gas mileage standards imposed on automakers. Requirements like these have over the last 40 years already helped to increase the cost of gas-powered cars to the point at which auto finance companies now offer long-term loans that resemble a home mortgage just to get the things off their lots. Yet, despite all of that, the internal combustion cars remain significantly less expensive than similar-class EVs. Thus, the imposition of further restrictions is in part motivated by the desire to help even out those price tags.

But the administration also plans to impose more subtle measures behind the scenes whose impact on the prices for cars and gasoline will be very real but difficult for consumers to pinpoint as the cause of the sticker shock to come. One such measure is the result of an action President Biden himself already took in the form of an executive order issued in late February ordering his regulatory agencies to raise the standard Social Cost of Carbon (SCC) estimate from $7 per ton of emissions by more than 700%, to $51 per ton."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidb...-accelerate-us-adoption-of-electric-vehicles/

That was written by a big oil lifer. You forgot to include this part that he included to describe himself:

“David Blackmon is an independent energy analyst/consultant based in Mansfield, TX. David has enjoyed a 39-year career in the oil and gas industry, the last 23 years of which were spent in the public policy arena, managing regulatory and legislative issues for various companies, including Burlington Resources, Shell, El Paso Corporation, FTI Consulting and LINN Energy. During this time, David has led numerous industry-wide efforts to address a variety of issues at the local, state and federal level, and from April 2010 through June 2012, he served as the Texas State Lead for America’s Natural Gas Alliance. In addition to client-related work, David also maintains a growing media communications practice. He is currently Associate Editor for Shale Magazine (www.shalemag.com), a contributor on energy-related matters at Forbes.com, and a feature writer for World Oil Magazine. He is the resident energy expert on the "In The Oil Patch" radio program, and executes frequent public speaking engagements around the state of Texas and at conferences.”

 

[cardude2000]

That was written by a big oil lifer. You forgot to include this part that he included to describe himself:

“David Blackmon is an independent energy analyst/consultant based in Mansfield, TX. David has enjoyed a 39-year career in the oil and gas industry, the last 23 years of which were spent in the public policy arena, managing regulatory and legislative issues for various companies, including Burlington Resources, Shell, El Paso Corporation, FTI Consulting and LINN Energy. During this time, David has led numerous industry-wide efforts to address a variety of issues at the local, state and federal level, and from April 2010 through June 2012, he served as the Texas State Lead for America’s Natural Gas Alliance. In addition to client-related work, David also maintains a growing media communications practice. He is currently Associate Editor for Shale Magazine (www.shalemag.com), a contributor on energy-related matters at Forbes.com, and a feature writer for World Oil Magazine. He is the resident energy expert on the "In The Oil Patch" radio program, and executes frequent public speaking engagements around the state of Texas and at conferences.”

What’s the problem? SPECULATION from a “shale magazine” contributor and OMG lobbyist isn’t a good unemotional pragmatic source to get info on EV’s?




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[Quark]

True. We should really just focus on the body count of kids we keep throwing at endless oil wars...not the money.

There’s no price tag on life.

I’ll give you that.

Is this what you call unemotional and pragmatic or do you actually believe that driving an EV will change our geopolitical stance?

 

[Quark]

That was written by a big oil lifer. You forgot to include this part that he included to describe himself:

“David Blackmon is an independent energy analyst/consultant based in Mansfield, TX. David has enjoyed a 39-year career in the oil and gas industry, the last 23 years of which were spent in the public policy arena, managing regulatory and legislative issues for various companies, including Burlington Resources, Shell, El Paso Corporation, FTI Consulting and LINN Energy. During this time, David has led numerous industry-wide efforts to address a variety of issues at the local, state and federal level, and from April 2010 through June 2012, he served as the Texas State Lead for America’s Natural Gas Alliance. In addition to client-related work, David also maintains a growing media communications practice. He is currently Associate Editor for Shale Magazine (www.shalemag.com), a contributor on energy-related matters at Forbes.com, and a feature writer for World Oil Magazine. He is the resident energy expert on the "In The Oil Patch" radio program, and executes frequent public speaking engagements around the state of Texas and at conferences.”

Do you care to comment on what he wrote?

 

[cardude2000]

Is this what you call unemotional and pragmatic or do you actually believe that driving an EV will change our geopolitical stance?

Yes. It’s unemotional and factual to say that the govt has spent trillions throwing kids at endless wars to subsidize the cost of gas. And yes. If the cost of gas at the pump didn’t matter oil wars wouldn’t be a thing.

 

[Quark]

Yes. It’s unemotional and factual to say that the govt has spent trillions throwing kids at endless wars to subsidize the cost of gas. And yes. If the cost of gas at the pump didn’t matter oil wars wouldn’t be a thing.

A 2016 study argued that oil wars were largely a myth. But if they exist and are endless as you claim where are they? For extra credit look up the meaning of pragmatic.

As to the price of gas, it does matter but not as you claim. It matters that the price of gas is too low so regulations and taxes are intended to raise it just as regulations increase the cost of the vehicles that run on gas. Every effort is being made to make it appear EVs are affordable.

 

[cardude2000]

A 2016 study argued that oil wars were largely a myth. But if they exist and are endless as you claim where are they? For extra credit look up the meaning of pragmatic.

As to the price of gas, it does matter but not as you claim. It matters that the price of gas is too low so regulations and taxes are intended to raise it just as regulations increase the cost of the vehicles that run on gas. Every effort is being made to make it appear EVs are affordable.

Those are certainly opinions and you’re welcome to hold them...If you think we’re in the Middle East for anything other than stabilization of gas prices you’re welcome to believe that.

Back to cars, here’s a cool article on Rivian and their planned network. Imagine the cost of gassers if auto manufacturers had to build their own gas stations? Crazy.

https://www.theday.com/article/20210410/BIZ07/210419990

Anyway, this has been fun. Thanks for remaining mostly civil. In the end, the future is coming and it doesn’t care about our feelings. I say, enjoy the ride!

 

[Quark]

Those are certainly opinions that you’re welcome to hold them...If you think we’re in the Middle East for anything other than stabilization of gas prices you’re welcome to believe that.

Back to cars, here’s a cool article on Rivian and their planned network. Imagine the cost of gassers if auto manufacturers had to build their own gas stations? Crazy.

https://www.theday.com/article/20210410/BIZ07/210419990

Anyway, this has been fun. Thanks for remaining mostly civil. In the end, the future is coming and it doesn’t care about our feelings. I say, enjoy the ride!

If only government would step back and let market forces lead that change and not promote a technology that is still developing. If instead they proceed with making car makers go all electric by 2030 those gassers will be a coveted commodity.

 

[cardude2000]

If only government would step back and let market forces lead that change and not promote a technology that is still developing. If instead they proceed with making car makers go all electric by 2030 those gassers will be a coveted commodity.

Yeah but they won’t. there’s no way they’ll stop OMG incentives, subsidies and wars...let alone go back and tear up the highway system (defense purposes...rrriiigghhhttt) that was a boon to early auto manufacturers. The govt has always had its thumb on the scales of industries that they believe serve the long term greater good.

Zero chance all cars are full EV in 8 years though so no worries there. Would be cool though!