Engine oil life indicator--reliable?

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The ecm / tcm / etc cannot measure time in discrete time units per se.
Ummm it HAS TO count a literal timer inside the ecm.
As a fact the idle speed is revolutions per MINUTE. If the ecm did not have an internal timer, it literally could not set base idle speed. As it has to set a given amount of revolutions in a minute. If not it would idle down and stall, or rev somewhere to the moon. In the tuning world you can see multiple settings that are on timers. Power enrichment, burst knock retard, hell traction control can be tuned to not be enabled until a certain time after starting the engine, even if you don't push the disable button.
With a quality bidirectional scanner you can even watch the key cycle run timer.

As for believing the oil change indicator. I would never believe it. I will continue to do 3000 mile intervals as recorded by the odometer. Like I said my Silverado went 3000 miles and the percentage was still above 70. Upon draining you could feel and smell that it was just about done. Now, had it been in a NEWER/ low mile engine I may have gone 4000 miles or seen if it dropped the percentage more. But, this is a 400k plus mile engine. And the computer/oil indicator program has no idea how much blowby or wash down occurs during an OCI at this point. It was programmed to calculate what it thinks is correct with new to medium(200kish) mileage engine wear.

I will put it this way. I worked at a dealership when these were new ( 2005-07). And the number of people that would absolutely refuse to do an oil change until the monitor was below 30 percent. And most of the time they were well on to the 6000 mile mark. Sure maybe the oil is "okay" for 5000 miles on highway applications. But I saw far too many oil crusted/coked valve covers, oil pans, etc. to ever believe the computer is anywhere near reliable. Plus you have to realize that as the oil wears it breaks down exponentially. So what it loses 50 percent of quality in 3000k miles but from 3k to 4000 it loses say another 40. No thanks I've seen to many bad things with not keeping up on OCIs.
 

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What I was hoping for was a better way of determining when to change the oil than just 'every 3000 miles regardless'.
Two otherwise similarly conscientious drivers can accrue 3000 different kinds of miles differently.
A NYC cabbie might say, if those miles were accrued in NYC stop'n'go, 3000 miles may not be often enough.

Regarding the pcm / ecm /tcm and time: I was wrong.
I still very much doubt it can tell what time it is, but it must have a stopwatch / timer / something like that.
 

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Engine cycles, on and off, time running and rpm fluctuations during that time with feedback from the transmission. Correct?
 

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I just drove 800 miles, oil minder was on 59% when I left, pulled into the parking lot here and it was still on 59%. Highway and interstate with maybe 2 hours stop and go (more stop than go) in the usual traffic jams. Did see the trans. temp. get to 190 degrees in the longer jam, mostly at or below 180 on the road.
 

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Engine cycles, on and off, time running and RpM fluctuations during that time with feedback from the transmission.
Correct?
Something like that, yes.
Hypothetical question:
how often SHOULD the oil be changed if it spends over 3 hours idling every day, but accrues 99% of its mileage on the highway?
Think 9C1 / Z56 - and we all know that that hypothetical police dept would pick one of three things:
a. a mileage interval
b. a time interval
c. follow the Oil Life Monitor's recommended interval

We can all agree that a shorter mileage interval is healthier in the long run than a longer one, but there's a thing called diminishing returns.
We can all agree that a shorter time interval is healthier in the long run than a longer one, but again, diminishing returns - although it's interesting that some people are willing to change oil every 3000 miles, even if it takes over a year to do so.
Why not change it every 3 or 4 or 6 months, regardless of mileage, instead of changing it every 3 or 4 or 5 thousand miles regardless of time?

What I'm getting at, is that I think the Oil Life Monitor is not a bad idea in principle, and that if it is overestimating its recommendations, then the simpler solution would be, instead of changing the oil @ 0%, why not change it @ 25% or 33% (or some other %age well before 0%)?

I only let the Oil Life Monitor reach 0% ONCE (never again!), and I'd never go past 4000 miles or one year between oil changes.
 

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I have never gotten a warning from OLM. I do it at 6 months or 5k miles, whichever comes first. Typically is the time interval because I only average about 6k miles a year here.
 

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when your OLM is at 0% there is still oil protection it is just at 0% of the parameter set by GM for oil changes...7500 miles or 1 year is the set max for oil changes et by GM and not by the protection provided by your choice of motor oil and filter...

I think our choices listed here for when to change our engine oil and filter iOS more a peace of mind setting rather than a need to change setting...

most of the responses in all the threads I've read here and elsewhere is about 5K miles (as I believe actual mileage is far more important than time especially if you choose a full synthetic oil...

Good luck with your choice

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Here is a rather long read from someone who helped develop the original Oil Life Monitors for GM (Cadillac Northstar engine)...it may help answer some questions or discussion here...

......... and from the article written by our CF member who was a GM Northstar System powertrain engineer - the early OLM, so adjust your criticisms accordingly - long read -

How Often Should I Change My Oil? The GM Oil Life System:

Q: How does the GM Oil Life System (OLS) work?
A: Vehicle maintenance intervals of three months or 3,000 miles no longer apply to vehicles equipped with this system.Instead of an actual oil-condition sensor, the GM Oil Life System relies on a computer-based software algorithm that continuously monitors engine-operating conditions and driver use to determine when an oil change is necessary.GM has calibrated the system for a variety of vehicles based on millions of test miles over a period of years.The system is now installed on more than 20 million GM vehicles.

Q: How do I operate the system?
A: The GM Oil Life System is very easy to use.Refer to your Owner’s Manual for a description of your specific vehicle’s change oil light or message and instructions for resetting the system.When the algorithm determines that your vehicle needs maintenance,the change oil light or message will illuminate on the instrument panel or the driver information center at start-up.You should have your vehicle’s oil changed within 600 miles of the odometer reading at the time the change oil light or message first illuminates. Immediately after the oil change, reset the system according to instructions in your Owner’s Manual. After the reset,the change oil light or message will no longer illuminate at engine start-up until the oil needs to be changed again.

Q: How many miles can I expect to go between oil changes when using this system?
A: It will vary.The beauty of the GM Oil Life System is that it automatically adjusts the oil-change interval based upon engine characteristics, your driving habits, and the climate in which you have been operating your vehicle. For instance, mild highway driving in a warm climate will maximize the interval between required oil changes. Depending on the vehicle,this could be as high as 12,000 miles.On the other hand, short-trip driving in a cold climate may limit the interval between oil changes to 3,000 miles or less. In general, most people who combine city and highway driving find that the GM Oil Life System will indicate the vehicle needs an oil change every 5,000 to 6,000 miles.Most people maintain consistent driving habits.This means their mileage between required oil changes will be consistent.

Q: What happens if I change the oil and forget to reset the system?
A: Since the GM Oil Life System does not actually sense oil condition, it is important that the engine computer knows when your vehicle has had an oil change.It registers this information through the reset operation described inyour Owner’s Manual.The change oil light or message will illuminate at start-up until the system is reset.The more miles you drive without resetting the system,the more inaccurate the GM Oil Life System will be.If you drive more than 500 miles after an oil change without resetting the GM Oil Life System,you should default your oil-change interval back to 3,000 miles.After you change the oil and reset the system, you may resume normal use of the system.

Q: I change my oil every 3,000 miles.How does this system help me?
A: You may continue to change your oil every 3,000 miles if you choose, but the GM Oil Life System allows you to extend your mileage between changes without harming your engine. It takes the guesswork out of your vehicle maintenance needs,calculates when you need maintenance, and it provides efficiency and convenience.It also is an economically sound practice that protects the environment by minimizing the amount of oil used and discarded. Remember, however, to reset the system after the oil change or you will get a false reading from your change oil light or message.

Q: Do I have to use special oil?
A: The GM Oil Life System calibrates your needs based on the use of standard factory-fill automotive engine oil that displays the “Starburst”API® Certification Mark. This verifies that the American Petroleum Institute certifies it for use in gasoline engines.Make sure to read your Owner’s Manual to select oil with the viscosity and grade that is correct for your engine. Any oil you use should carry the API “Starburst”mark. The Corvette and a few other GM vehicles (2004 CTS/STS/SRX) are the only ones that require synthetic oil.

Q: The oil-change service station recommends that I change the oil every 3,000 miles. Why should I not believe them?
A: The 3,000-mile oil change is a very conservative approach to maintaining your vehicle that dates back to 1968. Since then, there has been many advances in both engine design and oil technology. These advancements, in conjunction with the GM Oil Life System, allow you to increase engine oil-change intervals without risking harm to the engine.

Q: I change my own oil. Should I reset the system myself?A: You may reset the system according to the instructions in your Owner’s Manual, or you may ask your selling dealer for assistance.

Q: Will I damage the vehicle if I don't change the oil soon after the change oil light or message comes on?
A: As your Owner’s Manual specifies, you should change the oil as soon as possible after you see this indicator.We recommend that you change it no more than 600 miles after the message first appears.

Q: Do I have to check my oil level now that my vehicle is equipped with the GM Oil Life System?
A: Yes, because the system does not sense oil level.As your Owner’s Manual specifies, we recommend that you check your oil every time you stop for gasoline.

Q: Will I void my warranty if I don't follow the GM Oil Life System regimen?
A: To maintain your warranty, you must comply with your Owner’s Manual recommendations. We suggest you read it.

Q: I had my vehicle’s oil changed recently but my GM Oil Life System indicator is still on.Why?
A: If the light is still on,the system may not have been reset when you changed your oil.You may reset it within 500 miles of your last oil change. If your vehicle has exceeded this mileage, change the oil at 3,000 miles and then reset the system.

Q: I still prefer to have my oil changed at about 3,500 miles.What should I do?
A: It is OK to change your oil before your vehicle notifies you that you are due for an oil change. Be sure, however, to reset the system when you change the oil, even if the GM Oil Life System light/message has not illuminated.

Q: I have driven 6,000 miles since my last oil change.My change oil light/message has not come on, but my oil seems dirty. Do I have a problem?
A: Your vehicle’s oil may discolor under normal conditions, depending on driving conditions. Refer to your Owner’s Manual for additional information.

Q:Can any dealer other than my selling dealer perform Simplified Maintenance?
A: We recommend that you care for your vehicle through your selling dealer so you can build a relationship with the team that sold you your vehicle. However, any GM Goodwrench dealer can perform Simplified Maintenance and reset the GM Oil Life System for you.

Q: During the summer,I drive my vehicle in a very hot climate. Do I need to change the oil more often?
A: The GM Oil Life System calculates your vehicle’s needs based on a wide range of driving conditions, including more stressful situations such as severe climates, trailer towing, or stop-and-go operation.There is no need for you to override the recommendation of the GM Oil Life System.

Q: I continue to get 3,000-mile follow-up mailers from my GM dealer. What should I do?
A: Inform your servicing dealer that you prefer to follow the Simplified Maintenance schedule determined by the GM Oil Life System and would like them to adjust the type of follow-up mailings they send you.

Q: I have a 2002 model GM vehicle with the GM Oil Life System.Can I use the Simplified Maintenance schedule with it?
A: Because Simplified Maintenance was not yet introduced before the 2004 Model Year, continue to use the recommendations in your Owner’s Manual for that vehicle.
 

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currently GM's OLM is set at 7500 miles or 1 year maximum regardless of protection level...remember the OLM is also based on the oil that was recommended for use when your particular vehicle was made...in the case of my 2005 GMC Yukon Denali it was Dino Oil of the 5W-30 variety/GM6094M...

I use a full synthetic 5W-30 with a AC Delco PF-46E oil filter...YMMV

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Here is a rather long read from someone who helped develop the original Oil Life Monitors for GM (Cadillac Northstar engine)...it may help answer some questions or discussion here...

......... and from the article written by our CF member who was a GM Northstar System powertrain engineer - the early OLM, so adjust your criticisms accordingly - long read -

How Often Should I Change My Oil? The GM Oil Life System:


Q: How many miles can I expect to go between oil changes when using this system?
A: It will vary.The beauty of the GM Oil Life System is that it automatically adjusts the oil-change interval based upon engine characteristics, your driving habits, and the climate in which you have been operating your vehicle. For instance, mild highway driving in a warm climate will maximize the interval between required oil changes. Depending on the vehicle,this could be as high as 12,000 miles.On the other hand, short-trip driving in a cold climate may limit the interval between oil changes to 3,000 miles or less.

Q: I change my oil every 3,000 miles.How does this system help me?
A: You may continue to change your oil every 3,000 miles if you choose, but the GM Oil Life System allows you to extend your mileage between changes without harming your engine. It takes the guesswork out of your vehicle maintenance needs,calculates when you need maintenance, and it provides efficiency and convenience.It also is an economically sound practice that protects the environment by minimizing the amount of oil used and discarded. Remember, however, to reset the system after the oil change or you will get a false reading from your change oil light or message.

Q: The oil-change service station recommends that I change the oil every 3,000 miles. Why should I not believe them?
A: The 3,000-mile oil change is a very conservative approach to maintaining your vehicle that dates back to 1968. Since then, there has been many advances in both engine design and oil technology. These advancements, in conjunction with the GM Oil Life System, allow you to increase engine oil-change intervals without risking harm to the engine.


Q: Will I void my warranty if I don't follow the GM Oil Life System regimen?
A: To maintain your warranty, you must comply with your Owner’s Manual recommendations. We suggest you read it.




Q: I continue to get 3,000-mile follow-up mailers from my GM dealer. What should I do?
A: Inform your servicing dealer that you prefer to follow the Simplified Maintenance schedule determined by the GM Oil Life System and would like them to adjust the type of follow-up mailings they send you.
Always read the fine print. Never trust what someone says in an interview or promotional ad.

As a tech that left the dealer scene because of how GM treated customers, I can tell you this from experience. If you did not get regular documentation on regular oil changes, and had engine failures. Your warranty was void. I saw it several times.
Customer: "But the salesman said the dash would tell me to change the oil."
Warranty department: "Your owners manual Clearly states your requirements for oil changes. And you went above that regularly. So your warranty does not cover neglectful maintenance "
Yes I saw this pulled on everything from a ruined lifter to a broken rocker arm. One of the reasons I left and swore to never work at a dealership again.

Now, 4,000 miles I would not see as a problem. But, 5000 to 7500 that some claim is okay...never. I've been in the field too long.

Hell, where I work now we do endurance testing of mechanical fuel pumps. They are lubed by 15w40 engine oil. At 100 hours of constant test and a STEADY oil temp of 195F the oil film has broken down to a point the trunions on the pump lifters are starting to gall. So 100 hours x 60 miles per hour is 6000 miles. So the level of onset of damage tells me that somewhere BEFORE 100 hours the oil is shot and breaking down.
Now this is strictly clean room testing and doesn't even take in account engine blowby, heat cycles, moisture encroachment during a cooling cycle, oil wash dowetcoil overheating etc...
So knowing what I know, would I cut it in half...no I would go 60 hours which at 60mph is 3600 miles. So right around the old recommended intervals.
Now for a cabby in worse conditions... still 60 hours maybe 50 and don't go by mileage.
 
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