Nitrogen?

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mjgirard

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From my experience, if you have a heavy SUV that sits a long time in a garage or outside and not being used often then the nitrogen will not lower the pressure in the tire as quickly as air does. I used nitrogen for years on my 2001 Tahoe that is our trip vehicle and the tire pressure did not drop as quickly from sitting like regular air did. The nitrogen did prevent bald spots too.

When I got new tires at Discount Tire they did not have nitrogen so I am back to air in the tires. Since I use the Tahoe more now and have a good tire gauge I decided it was not worth the cost to go to another tire dealer and have them put nitrogen in.

As everyone else has said it has marginal benefits.
 

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My experience is that it solved slow leak issues on my two original 2008 wheels.
I was adding air twice a week despite having the tires dismounted, wheels cleaned and remounted twice.
My tire dealer offered nitrogen as the solution, which was $10 a wheel with lifetime topoffs, and after that I could go 6 months before each topping off.
Great solution to try if you have a problem.
I wouldn't see a need without the problem though.

I noticed that those two wheels seemed to get very dirty quickly after getting the nitrogen. It could be a coincidence but the rear wheels generally never got very dirty and then the old pair, one front and one rear continually get soiled up. I wonder if slight seeping causes it but I am not sure.
 

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Well I agree, and If we’re going to make a point about gas purity standards; then no gas is “pure”, there is no such thing as a “pure” gas, which is why I put “pure” in quotation marks and referred to this “pure” gas that everyone speaks of as “straight”. Maybe you could come close in a scientific laboratory in a tiny volume strictly for experimental purposes, but even then I doubt it, most gas used scientific (read: highest purity, aka UHP*) research and laboratory precision testing usually has the impurities accounted for.

The same can be said for both industrial and medical gas classes. No grade of gas, neither industrial, UHP (ultra high purity*), or medical is 100% pure. Likewise, even medical oxygen and what is dubbed as “breathing air” is NOT 100% pure. Generally, the standard for industrial grade “purity” is >99.9995%, but could be higher or lower depending on the particular batch. Each batch of air separated nitrogen is analyzed and given a COA. Similarly, medical and other UHP standards are, as you suggest, more stringent. The exact percentage can vary, but again generally we’re looking at >99.99990% or higher in that regard. Said all that to say, that no gas is pure. It doesn’t exist, therefore it should be referred to as straight nitrogen.

So while yes, we’re talking about tires, actual industrial nitrogen “purity” is still pretty good, and if we’re taking the advantage vs disadvantage of nitrogen in tires to a scientific level, then roughly 22% difference in nitrogen content in “straight n2” versus atmospheric air *could* make a difference if each tire was filled completely with n2.

One interesting point mentioned above is the atmospheric air residue in the tire which would make it impossible to fill with 100% straight nitrogen. I suppose this could be a factor, but also believe that the tire could be purged out with n2 via the valve stem if the tire was already mounted on the wheel. That I’m not too sure about, but if anything it would reduce the percentage of atmospheric air to a lower amount, even if not 100%.

Of course, I do not disagree that the benefits are, or could be, at best, negligible — which I made a point to emphasize in the post. I suppose the factors and variables in each particular application could provide more or less “benefit” of n2 filled tires. There is a reduction of friction between the tires and road with the lighter gas, and a noticeable difference could rely on many factors, but one possible variable is that much larger tires, such as heavy A/T off road tires or medium and heavy duty truck tires may benefit more from n2 fills than our Tahoe’s.

But one point that I would like to add, for the cost of the fill of that n2 tank, I spend roughly .36 cents for a full tire fill @ 40 psi. If a gas station compressor costs you 1.25, for filling surely less than 40 psi, then over the years there is actually more potential to save money from paying to use gas station compressors, or even buying a portable air pump which I had mentioned in another thread vs. saving money from better gas mileage. Add in the convenience factor of being able to fill any tire, to any psi, in literal seconds is another reason why I have the rig, but hey, to each his own.


If you really want to experiment with better gas mileage, you could try filling your tires with helium… of course, remember to take out an SBA before you go :)
I don’t understand the comment about reduced friction between the tire and the road. Friction between the tire and the road is what keeps the vehicle from sliding all over. Tires filled to the same pressure will have the same footprint on the road. And in a practical sense, going from about 78% nitrogen in 4 tires to maybe 90-95% nitrogen, the difference in weight of a 5,000 lb is not going to be measurable.
 

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I've used nitrogen for the race cars for decades.... I set the tire pressures in micro-pressures for race set ups, to maintain a perfect pressure.
Don't waist your time & money, considering nitrogen for a street tire. You will not notice a thing considering the effort. You will loose a pound or two..... Meaning, oxygen enters the truck tires.
I got this 'super silent' compressor.....
 

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Thinking about getting new paws next spring. What is the typical cost to do all four (five?) with Nitrogen? Can you add normal air later?

Is there a reason NOT to?
Go to Costco, the free tire inflators usually located by their tire departments dispense nitrogen for free (don't need to be a member). If you purchase new tires at Costco (you need to be a member to purchase) they fill them with nitrogen too. Good prices on tires also!
 

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Go to Costco, the free tire inflators usually located by their tire departments dispense nitrogen for free (don't need to be a member). If you purchase new tires at Costco (you need to be a member to purchase) they fill them with nitrogen too. Good prices on tires also!
Good thought..... But I like the convenience of airing my tires at home, especially if I'm leaving on a long drive, and need a couple pounds. Done in 10 minutes.
 

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Costco has nitrogen refill stations for members that don't cost anything other than having a membership
 

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I don’t understand the comment about reduced friction between the tire and the road. Friction between the tire and the road is what keeps the vehicle from sliding all over. Tires filled to the same pressure will have the same footprint on the road. And in a practical sense, going from about 78% nitrogen in 4 tires to maybe 90-95% nitrogen, the difference in weight of a 5,000 lb is not going to be measurable.
To say that the difference is not measurable is just wrong — it is not factual. The difference may be minute, it may be minuscule, it may not be noticeable, but it is measurable.

The friction comment was more in regards to the lighter gas not being as heavy and lessening the weight of the vehicle. Anything that lessens the weight of a vehicle has the potential to increase gas mileage among other benefits. Fill 4 tires with argon and tell me if it helps or hurts your gas mileage. (And yes, I’m aware that small amounts of argon are present in atmospheric air) also, again, if you filled a mounted tire with n2 you could likely achieve 98-99% or more straight n2 content especially by purging it with n2 before filling. To see what would actually be achievable would require an experiment or two and more coffee than what I’ve had today.

If there was absolutely no benefit, n2 would never be used in ANY application ever. The fact that it is used in specialized, racing, and other applications proves outright that under *certain* conditions, there is a benefit. Will it benefit us and our Tahoe’s making runs to Waffle House and hauling kids to practice ? Maybe , maybe not. Chances are…. not …. but it could.

Bottom line is, the OP asked if there was any reason NOT to do it, I provided the only argument to why there is no good reason NOT to if you can get it cheap enough which is certainly possible if not going thru a stealership.

So my final conclusion is that is that scientifically speaking, and in a factual matter, nitrogen IS better than compressed air in tires. Practically speaking, it is *usually* NOT, but it *could* be.

The interesting thing here is that I literally agree with every person here that the benefits are negligible. I also think it’s irresponsible to just say “no, there’s no benefit period.” . It is regrettable that most of you disagree, and that’s OK. There’s no problems here; and as Joseph Garcia said, this is what makes forums great: the opportunity for conversation. Thanks for the chat fellas, I do appreciate the dialogue.

*tips hat
 

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