Pickup tube question on 2007 GMC Yukon Denali 6.2

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Gildan

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I had a similar dreaded low oil pressure event consistent with the bad O ring syndrome. I replaced the oil pressure sensor. Problem returned 3K miles later. No change other than a slight improvement. Every time I did an oil change, the problem went away until the oil had about 3k miles on it. Then everything went to hell. Changed the oil, the problem went away and then returned 3k miles again. Repeat, rinse, repeat. Being the curious type, the next time it happened, I replaced the oil filter and that cured the problem, for a while. The Jack the arse end of the vehicle up and over fill the oil to see if it was the O ring showed no oil pressure change.

So, what I finally did was to do the old Sea Foam trick before the oil change and then added in 20% Marvel Mystery Oil at the oil change. That cured it, until the sludge moved around from the galleries and I had to change the filter to cure that.

Now, when I do a cold start, the oil pressure goes up and hangs out at about 60 psi for about 30 seconds, drops to about 20 psi for 30 seconds and then abruptly rises to 60 psi. Hot idle at 30 psi and 50 at about 1700 rpm. My conclusion is that the 'dog bone'/'dumbell' in the the oil pump was sticky and the Sea Foam/Marvel Mystery oil unstuck it. That, and the oil filter (a Wix) was just a sh*tty filter that was plugging up and they bypass mechanism was upgef*cked (which it was when I ripped open the filter to look at it).

Most oil filters out there are crap and plug up and the bypass mechanisms are sh*ty and don't open properly (or get stuck open) at the right pressure differential. A sure sign of a crappy oil filter or plugged filter is the oil pressure rising to normal, dropping, and then rising again. Most filter elements clog up after a couple thousand miles and the bypass mechanism fails. That, and the bypass for the oil cooler can stick open and drop your pressure.

*Also* if you want to reduce sludge in your oil and you are brave and tenacious enough to drop the pan on some of these vehicles, make sure you install a deflector on the oil return from the oil cooler/return lines. GMC failed to install the proper deflector and O ring as a general rule at the factory and they did it deliberately just to be cheap and sloppy. Without the deflector, the oil sprays up onto the bottom of the crank and into the jugs and sludges up, big time. The GM engines are great provided the people on the line assembling them do it right (which they generally do not). I've seen 6.2 L motors in Yukes run fine with no significant oil loss other than at the rear seal at 450K and 750K miles (and the transmissions didn't sh*t the bed) as long as they had oil changes at 3k miles. And they all had miserably oil pressure since day one.

GMC should have been sued in a class action suit over the O ring issue.
 

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Did you drop the pan or replace the o-ring via taking off the oil pump? If you did the o-ring without dropping the pan how difficult was it to get the bolt out of the pickup tube and then replace it?
 

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I dropped the pan, not the timing cover, when I did mine. It was hard and brokie as I removed it. Felpro 72401.

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Did you drop the pan or replace the o-ring via taking off the oil pump? If you did the o-ring without dropping the pan how difficult was it to get the bolt out of the pickup tube and then replace it?
I dropped the oil pan and redid the seal, scrubbed the pan and cleaned the pickup tube at the same time. Dropping the pan wasn't as hard as it seemed. Front dif drop wasn't fun but me and my son was able to fight it
 
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So I will be replacing the oil pump this weekend but wanted to update something I found kind of interesting. I ordered a new pickup tube gasket at O'Reilly instead of Napa. It was a felpro and it's red. I will give a picture below. It seemed thicker so I bought it and brought it back to Napa and asked him to pull the same one he sold me before so I can compare them. Napa no longer sells the black gaskets for the pickup tube. I was only offered a red felpro!They converted them all to red and they were the same felpro gasket that oreillys had. So definitely going to yank off the timing chain cover and replace the oil pump and gasket again. O'Reilly was nice enough to pull the 2 options of gaskets they had for the pickup tube. The felpro visually seemed ever so minutely thicker and 2 other guys agreed with it. I will take a side by side pic of the gaskets when I pull the old one off again. I decided to pay the extra 100 dollars for the high flow oil pump. It was highly recommended for the higher mileage trucks. I will give a pic of that as well. And lastly here is an interesting thing I saw. I looked closely at the upper intake and intake gaskets have been replaced but what's weird is the heavy silicon around the valley pan. I will do that as well.
 

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You can see the black silicon around the valley pan. I will just feel better with a new gasket on it.
 

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So here we are. I decided to do the valley pan first. I'm glad I did. Every bolt on the valley pan was loose
Absolutely no socket wrench was needed. Every last screw was unscrewed with my fingers. I used a pry tool and patience to get the valley pan up. Every last square inch had black sealant around in. All o rings and seals are absolutely shot. O rings were so old they were cracking and splitting. The gasket was stuck to the block. And the hole that holds the oil pressure sensor and filter on the inside of the valley pan was absolutely disgusting. I will have to reassemble everything and see if my oil pressure changed before I decided to replace it this weekend. But for now I'm cleaning everything.
 

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wow that's ugly.

almost all bolts are loose on the valley covers. I don't know what gm was doing with tq apec on these things.

but on good note this well he an excellent experiment to see if leaking back thru the lifter thru the vlom ports makes much difference in the oil pressure.
 
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I am also wondering if my oil leak will minimize as well. I just wish I knew why the previous owner went through the trouble of removing the intake and sealed the edges but didn't replace the gasket. I was told the valley pan didn't need sealer around it. I was contemplating using some extra gasket maker on the edges.
 

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I am also wondering if my oil leak will minimize as well. I just wish I knew why the previous owner went through the trouble of removing the intake and sealed the edges but didn't replace the gasket. I was told the valley pan didn't need sealer around it. I was contemplating using some extra gasket maker on the edges.


I don't believe it needs any sealer, I had mine off to snip the gaskets around those oil holes. didn't even replace the gasket. it all looked good and hadn't leaked any.
 

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