2002-2006 Yukon XL vs. Denali for towing performnce

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rwbana

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We just bought a 23' Jayco Jay Feather TT (4700 lbs dry weight) and we currently have a 2003 Yukon XL, 5.3 L. I'm really struggling up moderate grades and based on all my research, I'm finding I need a 3/4 ton model.

However, I have noticed the Denali has more horsepower than the Yukon X 2500 with the 8.1L engine. I actually test drove a 2003 Yukon XL 2500 with the 8.1L and it felt like I was in a hot rod. I'm not sure I want that much power for when we are not towing and just doing everyday stuff.

I searched high and low in this forum but couldn't find a good comparison between the 2000-2006 Yukon XL 2500 vs. Denali. According to the information I've found the Denali has more horsepower than the 2500 which is coming/

Sure could use some good advise on which route to go.

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Stock vs Stock I believe the 8.1L has much more torque which is giving you the seat of the pants "hotrod" sensation.

I'd imagine without much doubt that the 2500 will be better equipped for towing.

If anything just due to the transmission, the 8.1L at least has a 4L80 if not an Allison transmission. The Denali only has a 4L60 which don't withstand much abuse.
 

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We just bought a 23' Jayco Jay Feather TT (4700 lbs dry weight) and we currently have a 2003 Yukon XL, 5.3 L. I'm really struggling up moderate grades and based on all my research, I'm finding I need a 3/4 ton model. ...

I think you hit the key with the bolded statement. Get buying. :High 5:

Okay back to what you asked (response based on 50 years of towing - others may well have differing and equally valid thoughts - and likely stuff you already know):

Towing is about horsepower, braking, stability, reliability (not necessarily in that order)

First define "struggling". Normal steep highway grade is 6%. How fast are you trying to go? What gear are you in? The book for my 99T says to stay out of 4th gear when towing - lets the engine turn up and run easier.

The answer could be to slow down a bit and gear down a bit.

So, does your rig have the factory towing package? What is it for towing capacity, gross vehicle weight? If it came with the towing package, the gearing is likely fine. Should be 3.42 or 3.73. The glove box options list will tell you. If it is higher geared, you likely are struggling. Doesn't mean you can't do it, just have to change your driving strategy.

What is the Hp rating for the 5.3L engine? For a gross weight of 11,000 lbs 200 hp is about the minimum - and it would have to be geared right.

Now about the new truck with more horsepower: Generally speaking, concerning towing, more horsepower is better.. How much is too much? When feeding it bothers you.

Consider, todays semis have maybe 400Hp. They pull 80K up 6% grades at 45 mph. Of course they have gears that will set the engine right at the center of it's power curve. And the engines are rated for 400hp continuous.

And we don't have that. Our gas engines are rated for maybe 50 hp continuous with bursts to 200Hp for 20 seconds while passing. The trucks are designed to pack the wife, kids, dog to the store and back. We are demanding 150hp continuous, and we want it reliable, and we want no more than normal maintenance.

So, I've got a 99T with a 5.7L vortec, 3.42. I am still setting up to tow, but my expectation is it will handle a 6000 lb cargo hauler with one passenger, and 250 lbs additional load. By handle, I expect it will do 60 mph on the flats, 50 on a 6% grade (45 will be okay), and 35 down hill on an 8% grade. If you want faster, you will need more horsepower and better braking.

As for "I'm not sure I want that much horsepower when I'm not towing" - raise your right foot. They don't exactly come with a switch that says "Tow - Store"

A half ton with 250hp, geared right, sprung right (tow package - for example) should perform fine towing 5000 lbs (11,000) gross. And, yes, the transmission is likely the weak link. I went with a bluetooth obd ii scanner linked to an Android phone to monitor the transmission temp. If we are in the hills, I'm keeping my eye on that. But even if we had a 4L80, I still would be easy on the transmission.

There is nothing wrong with wanting more. Even with more, you may figure out to pull into the truck lane suck up against the semis and climb about the same speed they do. And go down about the same speed they do. We finally did.

Enjoy the ride,

ice
 

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Just briefly looking on the web, the 8.1 is not that much more powerful than the 6.0 in the Denali. I don't tow anything as heavy as your trailer with my Denali but i wouldn't even think twice about doing it. If i had the 5.3 i would question it for sure. If you want a dedicated tow rig, buy a diesel and don't even mess with the 8.1. if you want the best of both worlds the 6.0 will do nicely
 

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8.1 is gonna have its torque available lower in the rpm band then the 6.0. Ive pulled my car and hauler in my sig, est weight 5500 and the 6.0 didnt really work hard. Braking was another story and a brake controller I feel is mandatory at that weight for safety.
 

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I have a 2005 denali xl with the 6.0 and I had no issues towing my 7000 lbs travel trailer up hills and small inclines...it blew going up Eisenhower pass in the Rocky mountains (11,000 ft above sea level). Depending on where u are traveling I think a 6.0 is fine but as mentioned earlier invest in a brake controller and also a nice big TRU cool transmission cooler as well
 
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Thanks for replies

I want to thank all of you for taking your valuable time in replying to my earlier post.

I am towing with a 5.3 L 2003 GMC Yukon XL which according to many websites has 285 hp. It does have the transmission cooler and the towing package installed. I also have a 10,000 pound equalizer weight distribution and sway control, in addition to a prodigy 2 break controller which is very nice to have.

While traveling up the 101 freeway from Southern California to San Luis Obispo I did hit some 6% grades and was forced all the way down to 45 mph in second gear. I just don't like driving at 3000 RPMs for that long up a hill it really felt like the engine was working too hard.

Fourth gear is basically useless in the vehicle when I'm towing. We even hit some 20 mile-per-hour wind gusts and I couldn't even keep it in third gear on label highway, I had to downshift to second gear.

My travel trailer is 4700 pounds dry and I probably have 1000 pounds of gear and water in it making it a total of 5700 pounds.

We camped just north of San Francisco and the gentleman next to me was pulling a 30,000 pound toy hauler with his Dodge ram 1 ton but he said he had upgraded his transmission cold air intake exhaust and added a chip to it as well.

I'm just thinking we'd be better served with a three-quarter ton. I'm mostly seen people Hollyn their travel trailers with three-quarter ton's F2 50s and Chevy 2500's and I know some of those trailers have to wait at least 10,000 lbs.

I don't need to go much faster than I'm traveling now but I just don't want the car to be working as hard as it it as it is and I want to be able to go up 6% grades while going at least 55 mph or faster if I need to pass a semi and then get back in the slow lane.

I've considered upgrading things on my current half ton but I don't think half tones are the best for towing and so really looking for some feedback on whether a three-quarter ton will serve all of our needs.

Because we have three kids in car seats the GMC Yukon XL is a perfect fit for us and I have seen them out there in the three-quarter ton chassis.
 

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I tow my race car (5000est car/trailer) with about another 600 pounds of stuff in the truck with my 03 Denali quite easily. I can set the cruise on 80 mph and it will rarely downshift from 4th unless encountering a large hill. Trans temps don't go over 185 and I average about 12.5 mpg. Overall I love the 6.0L. Brakes on the other hand suck. I have upgraded rotors with Hawk Severe Duty pads with a progressive trailer brake controller and still have to leave a lot of room. Much worse than the 06 4runner I was used to towing with.
 

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The 2500 will have a better transmission in the long run. You will want to get a bigger trans cooler with either one you choose.

my stock 5.3 put 230 to the wheels the 8.1 will probably have 50hp more give or take. But it will have a nicer torque curve (which is what you want when towing)
 

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