2004 Tahoe Possible 4WD Issue

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Not sure if this is the right spot. Sorry if it's not. Yesterday, me and my kid went up a hill, to my mom's. It's close to a mile uphill, and we went up in 2WD, as usual. When I got to the top, I stopped to put the Tahoe in 4LO, 1st gear, like always, to keep from having to ride the brakes because I had to go downhill a ways (maybe a 10th of a mile), to get to mom's. I noticed though, that all the lights were out on the selector switch. And of course, trying to push them did nothing. I noticed "Service 4WD" on the DIC. So we went on down the hill in 2WD, in neutral, riding the brakes. I dropped my kid off to do yardwork, turned around, and pulled back out. It took me 4 tries in 2WD to get back up out of there, back to the top of the hill (I kept spinning and getting stuck). I usually do this part in 4LO, but couldn't this time. Anyhow, I parked on top and turned the truck off. It sat there for the next 2 hours while I put out some new road signs to try to keep people off the driveway. I walked around the truck and looked under it for any new leaks.
{*Side note: My ABS box has been leaking for a few weeks (haven't bought one yet; just keep the cylinder filled, and drive slow), but I noticed 3 days ago, it seemed to be leaking a lot more than usual, going by the spot that would accumulate under the truck. However, it didn't seem to be using any more fluid than usual. We decided to go ahead and order the box though.}
When I walked around the truck looking for new leaks, I noticed my usual ABS leak spot was dry. I looked under there better and it was definitely dry, no drips and leaks like usual when I first park. At this point, I started worrying that maybe the big spot I kept seeing the past few days had been TC fluid instead of brake fluid, and now it was dry of TC fluid.
After a couple hours, I walked back to mom's, got my kid, we walked back to the truck and I started it. The selector switch came on like always, nothing about the 4WD on the DIC. By this point though, I'd done convinced myself that I must've let all the TC fluid leak out and that's what happened to my 4WD earlier. So I put it in drive and gave it some gas to get going, then we hurried down the hill in 2WD in neutral. It took about 3-4 minutes to get all the way off the hill, and at the bottom, I shifted into drive. When it started slowing down, I gave it gas and all it did was rev, like it was in neutral. It's probably not even a 10th of a mile from the bottom of mom's hill to our place, and ever so slightly downhill, so thankfully we were able to coast the rest of the way in neutral. I parked it and turned it off, absolutely convinced by this point that I'd totally killed the transfer case.
Today, I went out and checked the fluid in the TC and it was full. I was astounded! I thought for sure I had done killed it. So me and my ol' man done a bunch of talking, I done a bunch of googling, and finally decided to go out and see what it would do. I started it, everything was normal on the dash. I put it in reverse, felt it kick in, backed up fine. Put it in drive, felt it kick in, gave it gas, everything was just like every other day. Now we don't know what to do. We don't know what happened. Don't know what's going to happen. I'm scared to even take it 3 minutes down the road because I don't know if it's gonna fail me or what. We don't know if we should start looking for another vehicle. If this was some sort of weird glitch or a warning of impending failure. I can't seem to find my exact issue online and really don't even know if it matters. Please help!
 

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sorry, i have nothing of value to help with your issue but, shifting into neutral and coasting downhill seems like a bad idea. If you are trying to save your brakes, you are doing anything but.. at least in “drive” you have some engine braking going on to assist. In neutral you’re relying strictly on the braking system, which can cause the Brake fluid to boil, overwork the braking system diminishing effective braking and even cause complete failure

Just in general i wouldn’t shift into 4lo for any type of street driving either.. that’s for if you are truly stuck in mud or something.

It is probably better just to stay in 2wd and balance between engine braking and normal braking
 

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Wow. A whole lot going on here. Vehicle electronics do not know if you are low or not on fluid in Tcase. Tcase is a connection to transmission via chain at all times unless of course you put the Tcase in Neutral. The only thing different is when in 4wd hi/lo and that when the front driveshafts is driven under power by the Tcase.

My guess is you either inadvertently put Tcase in Neutral or had the transmission in neutral but though it was in gear. Your Service 4wd warning is most likely a dirty position switch on the encoder shift motor on the side of the Tcase. Thats why the buttons were showing goofy indications. It was lost and didnt know what the Tcase position (gear) was in. They can be rplaced individually or with a whole encoder motor assembly. Usually exercising them gets them working again fine but eventually will need replaced.

Bottom line is the "neutral incident" was either caused by you with the pushing buttons ending up with Tcase Neutral or Transmission neutral because gearshift lever wasnt all the way in the D position. There is of course the possibility that you have a transmission problem like a sticking valve in the valve body or even worse.

All this going down and up the hill business with the neutral and 4wd lo has me taking up drinking again. Thanks.
 

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Wow. A whole lot going on here. Vehicle electronics do not know if you are low or not on fluid in Tcase. Tcase is a connection to transmission via chain at all times unless of course you put the Tcase in Neutral. The only thing different is when in 4wd hi/lo and that when the front driveshafts is driven under power by the Tcase.

My guess is you either inadvertently put Tcase in Neutral or had the transmission in neutral but though it was in gear. Your Service 4wd warning is most likely a dirty position switch on the encoder shift motor on the side of the Tcase. Thats why the buttons were showing goofy indications. It was lost and didnt know what the Tcase position (gear) was in. They can be rplaced individually or with a whole encoder motor assembly. Usually exercising them gets them working again fine but eventually will need replaced.

Bottom line is the "neutral incident" was either caused by you with the pushing buttons ending up with Tcase Neutral or Transmission neutral because gearshift lever wasnt all the way in the D position. There is of course the possibility that you have a transmission problem like a sticking valve in the valve body or even worse.

All this going down and up the hill business with the neutral and 4wd lo has me taking up drinking again. Thanks.

^^^ THIS, seriously. Not sure why you wouldn't use gear "1" for the downhill, and the brakes when needed.

And I'll start to drink early today.
 
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OK, so apparently I rambled too much, trying to explain exactly what happened, and confused everybody. Or just didn't explain it right. Either way, sorry.
My mom lives about a mile back in the hills (mountains) of WV. Big mountains. You actually used to need 4WD to get to her house. It used to look like a 4-wheeling trail. People that don't already know someone lives up there, don't believe someone lives up there when you tell them. The majority of the road was fixed by the electric company a couple years ago because they put these big power tower things all the way up on top of some of the mountains, to cut down on power outages. Naturally, them being who they are, they fixed this road so extraordinarily, you no longer need 4WD to go up it. It's still as steep as it ever was, but it's wide, smooth, packed in super tight, and graveled. Now, it seems people are coming from miles around just to play in my mom's driveway, get high (I literally had to run a couple guys in their 70's off a couple weeks ago that were up there "looking for somewhere we can get high." The one driving was actually wearing the little oxygen tube under his nose!). People pull in her yard all hours of the night, running stuff over in her yard. This is why I was up there putting signs up that day.
Anyhow, the driveway is a steep incline for close to a mile, then it levels out for about a 10th of a mile, then it drops downhill (steep) for about another 10th of a mile, and you're at mom's. Vice versa when you're coming back out from mom's. The power company fixed the main uphill part, but not the level part or the downhill part coming into mom's yard. Those parts still look like old 4-wheeling trail, seriously uneven, a big rut, clay mud, big rocks, an actual big tree root in one spot, etc.
I live on the main hollow (pronounced "holler"). If you go on up the hollow past my house, about a 10th of a mile, you'll find the bottom of my mom's driveway.
The ABS box has been leaking for a hot minute, so I try to stay off the brakes as much as possible, to keep from spewing so much fluid. Ever since it started leaking, anytime I'm going downhill (off-road), I try to keep it in 4LO, 1st gear. It almost drives itself, I rarely have to touch the brakes.
So when I went up the hill the other day, everything was normal when I left my house. I went up mom's hill like always. When I was about to start down the downhill part, I stopped to put it in 4LO, 1st gear, and all the lights on the selector were off. The DIC said "Service 4WD." I pushed 2 buttons to see if it would work anyways, and when nothing happened, I went on to mom's in 2WD, in neutral. The reason I chose neutral instead of drive was because when it was in drive, it seemed to be pulling itself forward, making me have to press the brakes even harder. I turned around and left. It took me 4 tries to get back up the downhill part because this is part of the road that still looks like 4-wheeling trail. Once I got back up on the level part of the road, I turned the truck off. It ended up sitting there between 2-3 hours total. When I started it back up, 2WD was lit up on the selector switch like usual, the DIC said nothing about 4WD. But where I had spent the past 2-3 hours thinking and stressing about it, I truly thought I must've lost all the TC fluid. The only thought going through my mind was to try to get the truck back off the hill and back to the house ASAP. I just knew the case was going to totally fail and I was going to get my truck stuck out there on that hill. That's why I didn't even think to try any of the 4WD buttons at that point. So I came all the way back out of there in 2WD, in neutral (again, because in drive, it seems to pull itself and makes me ride the brakes harder than in neutral). When I got all the way off the hill though, I put it back in drive and when I went to give it gas, all it did was rev the motor. Like it was in neutral. I looked at the dash, it was in drive. The 4WD selector was in 2WD. Nothing was in neutral. (My 4WD selector doesn't have a button for neutral).
I honestly believed it was done for. That's why I couldn't believe I was able to move it the next day. Neither me or my ol' man knows what to think of it. No one I've talked to about it seems to know what to think of it. I do know it's got me scared to even take it 3 minutes down the road because I'm scared it's going to leave me stranded somewhere. I don't want an unnecessary tow bill on top of everything else. I don't know whether we should try to fix this one or just start over with another vehicle. I don't even know what to try to fix on this one. I've spent hours reading online. I just don't know.
 
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And I would join you guys in the drinking, but I'm scared to try to take this thing to the store. :happy160::hat:
 

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Fancy - but the no cost method would be to unplug the front diff actuator when you're ready to go 2Lo.
Yes, you'll get a code, but it'll go away when you plug it back in.
You could also put a switch in the ground wire circuit for the front diff actuator.
@Fless just saved me 2 Benjamins. Awesome.
 
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Having to "adjust" driving habits for the brake fluid leak would unnerve me a lot more than a 4wd issue. I wouldn't risk that outside of my own property.

I will assume that your dash switch has the AUTO button at the top. If not, please correct.

Could be the dash switch, but most likely the sensor (commutator) inside the transfer case encoder motor. Could also be the TCCM or its ground being bad, but that's fairly rare. To narrow it down, put a good scanner on it that can read the diagnostic trouble code when the Service 4wd message is on the DIC.

The search function on the forum is your friend. Read through this short thread (and there are plenty more on this forum about this exact problem):

 
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Think you might find this useful (and I as well) - and it's on sale!
Put it in 4Lo, then activate this thing, and you're in 2Lo. If you need the torque multiplication but want to protect the front differential, here you go.

Won't fix any wear / damage already caused, but will stop you from causing any more.

Fancy. But the no cost method would be to unplug the front diff actuator when you're ready to go 2lo. Yes, you'll get a code, but it'll go away when you plug it back in.

You could also put a switch in the ground wire circuit for the front diff actuator.
 

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Fancy - but the no cost method would be to unplug the front diff actuator when you're ready to go 2Lo.
Yes, you'll get a code, but it'll go away when you plug it back in.
You could also put a switch in the ground wire circuit for the front diff actuator.
Are the instructions that simple?
As soon as I understand this, I'll have my mech install a switch in the ground wire circuit.

Also, if I implement this, and then press 4Hi, what happens?
 

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