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bunky319

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Currently my family is in a Honda Pilot. We want a 1/2 ton based SUV for both the interior cargo/people volume and the towing capability. I would prefer to own either a Honda or Toyota product, but since Honda doesn't have a 1/2 ton SUV, the first rig we looked at was the Toyota Sequoia. It didn't bother me that it has only received minor updates since 2008, but what did bother me was the ~13mpg we would be getting on a good day with the 5.7L V8. On top of that, the cargo volume behind the 3rd row is not much more than what our Pilot offers. I waited to see the redesign of the Sequoia and that put the nail in the coffin for us. No significant gain in cargo volume and solid rear axle makes the 3rd row seating ergonomics as bad as the previous generation Tahoe.

The next rig we started researching was the Ford Expedition Max. There's a lot of things to like about the interior of the Expedition, but after spending a few months on the Expedition forums, Ford has some serious problems with the cam phasers on the 3.5L EB and in general it seems like there's more significant problems people are having with the Expeditions.

I'm not looking at the Grand Wagoneer because I'm not going to spend that kind of money on a car. That leaves us with the Yukon XL/Suburban platform. GM certainly has their issues and isn't the perfect car company, but they have the biggest 1/2 ton SUV on the market with an engine that will get better fuel economy than our Honda Pilot.

Agree 100% with this. My current vehicle is a Subaru Ascent and we haven't had a single problem with it but I just need more room. Right now the Suburban/Yukon XL is the best choice right now and is priced very competitively compared to the other options....really hoping that doesn't change significantly for 2023.

EDIT: Well if this $1600 price increase is a reality, along with another one when the 2023 prices are announced.....that definitely changes the competitive nature of things....
 
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As of yesterday, diesel and 87 are back within 10 cents of each other, and premium for the 6.2L is more expensive. You need to have more than a dollar per gallon delta for it to be close, and that is only based on the EPA MPG ratings. Real world the LM2 out performs the EPA ratings and the gassers rarely do.

what part of the country are you seeing the spread between gas and diesel being so tight? TexLaOhma diesel is a solid $1 more than 87
 

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what part of the country are you seeing the spread between gas and diesel being so tight? TexLaOhma diesel is a solid $1 more than 87
Diesel here in Middle TN is about 80 cents more than regular unleaded. I still went with the LM2.
 

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Diesel here in Middle TN is about 80 cents more than regular unleaded. I still went with the LM2.

with the diesel option being "cheap" as compared to the option in the HD trucks (understood we aren't talking red apples to red apples, but a $1k option cost would make it a desirable choice. talked to my wife about it and her first comment was, I'd probably put gas in it...
 

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what part of the country are you seeing the spread between gas and diesel being so tight? TexLaOhma diesel is a solid $1 more than 87
upper Midwest.
on the Denali trim, the LM2 is a $1,500 credit so it’s a no brainer.
 

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upper Midwest.
on the Denali trim, the LM2 is a $1,500 credit so it’s a no brainer.


that makes sense - Denali has the 6.2 standard which is usually around a $2500 option on the other trims, add the $1k diesel instead and the base price is lower...
 

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what part of the country are you seeing the spread between gas and diesel being so tight? TexLaOhma diesel is a solid $1 more than 87

Up here in Oregon premium is sitting around $5.50/gal while diesel is at $5.60. Regular is around $5.10.
 

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that makes sense - Denali has the 6.2 standard which is usually around a $2500 option on the other trims, add the $1k diesel instead and the base price is lower...
If you order a Denali with a diesel you get a $1,500 credit over the 6.2. We own a 6.6 LBZ Duramax 2500 already, so another diesel isn't much of a change for us. Getting one seems to be an issue.
 
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$68K in the midwest with ADM......

That's crazy for a base model.

We called 53 dealers in 7 states in the midwest last fall and ended up finding our current SLT duramax at sticker in Indiana.

For the Denali we ordered in February, we are paying friends and family (supplier) pricing (basically 5% below MSRP) from our local dealer in Michigan. Only reason we ordered a Denali was because the dealer offered us $72K on our truck and the new one comes out to roughly $70K with the discount and we end up with what we wanted originally so I was ok with losing a bit on sales taxes.
 

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