2WD Z71?

[Wylie_Tahoe]

For my application, a 2wd Z71 is like ***** on a boar. My first thought was the seller of the one I was looking at, was trying to pump the value with a foax option. Seen it a number of times with boats.

In a 4wd, I would not care either way, if it was a Z71.

 

[mattt]

I think it boils down to GM finding keywords and "bold new graphics" that they determined helped sell vehicles so they just started slapping it on anything to make a sale.

Instead of being innovative like Ford, who brought the Raptor to market, GM is lazy and just uses the **-hum "bold new graphics" and "off road package" that really isn't much of a "package" at all. Go GM... SOOOOOOOO innovative!

 

[swathdiver]

I think it boils down to GM finding keywords and "bold new graphics" that they determined helped sell vehicles so they just started slapping it on anything to make a sale.

Instead of being innovative like Ford, who brought the Raptor to market, GM is lazy and just uses the **-hum "bold new graphics" and "off road package" that really isn't much of a "package" at all. Go GM... SOOOOOOOO innovative!

Lazy or smart? Ford spent a whole lot more for the Raptor compared to GMs sticker shop! LOL Which was more profitable?

 

[mattt]

Good question....and very debatable. I'm personally not very impressed with much out of GM, especially since 2008. That is why I'm driving my 04 into the ground.

 

[itsbo1313]

And Raptor values are very high. Very little depreciation.

 

[CountryBoy19]

I'm personally not very impressed with much out of GM, especially since 2008. That is why I'm driving my 04 into the ground.

I agree ... the great recession led GM to shit the bed on just about all accounts. Quality is down, dependability is down, innovation is non-existent, concern for the customer is 100% gone. Ford had their issues 5 yrs earlier and came out of the recession strong and their product today shows it.

We have a GM foundry in my town and several close friends have worked for/with them. GM management is grossly incompetent. A recent story a friend told me: He is upper management for a sub-contractor that does quality control (think measuring block castings to make sure they are in spec). At 4 pm on a Friday he got a message from a GM manager, "hey we're almost done with a run of 357 blocks that have to be shipped monday" his response, "are you expecting 100% inspection. How long have you been working on this run?" GM response, "yes 100% we've been working on this run since last week" his response, "so you've been working on these for over a week, haven't delivered us a single block to start our inspections, you're expecting us to inspect every dimension on every block, you want it done and ready to ship monday, and you don't even inform us about it in advance? I don't even have enough trained inspectors to do that if I had every one of them come in for maximum overtime. I'm going to have to train new people and there is probably going to be a high reject rate on the blocks bc we have the new folks err on the side of caution" GM response, "oh.... you can't reject any of them we only have the exact quantity to fill the minimum delivery quantity" his response, "what do you think we should do with blocks that don't pass quality? Are you saying we should still ship them if they're out of spec?" GM response, "oh no, we can't ship bad blocks" his response, "so you tell me on friday I have to inspect 357 blocks by monday morning, you didn't cast any extras to account for rejects. Do you routinely expect the impossible to happen? Send us the blocks, we'll onspect and ship what's good and you can deal with the fallout from not having enough to meet the order. And maybe next time you'll plan ahead a little bit and involve your QC folks in the communications a little sooner"

 

[swathdiver]

GM management is grossly incompetent.

This sounds just like bureaucratic, worthless, government employees. Not surprising since we know what happened to them in 2009.

 

[mattt]

I agree ... the great recession led GM to shit the bed on just about all accounts. Quality is down, dependability is down, innovation is non-existent, concern for the customer is 100% gone. Ford had their issues 5 yrs earlier and came out of the recession strong and their product today shows it.

We have a GM foundry in my town and several close friends have worked for/with them. GM management is grossly incompetent. A recent story a friend told me: He is upper management for a sub-contractor that does quality control (think measuring block castings to make sure they are in spec). At 4 pm on a Friday he got a message from a GM manager, "hey we're almost done with a run of 357 blocks that have to be shipped monday" his response, "are you expecting 100% inspection. How long have you been working on this run?" GM response, "yes 100% we've been working on this run since last week" his response, "so you've been working on these for over a week, haven't delivered us a single block to start our inspections, you're expecting us to inspect every dimension on every block, you want it done and ready to ship monday, and you don't even inform us about it in advance? I don't even have enough trained inspectors to do that if I had every one of them come in for maximum overtime. I'm going to have to train new people and there is probably going to be a high reject rate on the blocks bc we have the new folks err on the side of caution" GM response, "oh.... you can't reject any of them we only have the exact quantity to fill the minimum delivery quantity" his response, "what do you think we should do with blocks that don't pass quality? Are you saying we should still ship them if they're out of spec?" GM response, "oh no, we can't ship bad blocks" his response, "so you tell me on friday I have to inspect 357 blocks by monday morning, you didn't cast any extras to account for rejects. Do you routinely expect the impossible to happen? Send us the blocks, we'll onspect and ship what's good and you can deal with the fallout from not having enough to meet the order. And maybe next time you'll plan ahead a little bit and involve your QC folks in the communications a little sooner"

I couldn't have said it better myself CountryBoy19. Like Biden said.....Osama is dead and GM is alive. Lots to be proud of crazy old Uncle Joe. :rolls eyes:

 

[homesick]

I think ALL huge bureaucracies suffer from this, some are just worse than others. And the one you're dealing with usually seems the worst.

Government is still, and always, the 800 ton gorilla in the incompetency jungle.

joe