Coolant in Oil - What Now?

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Oddly no, not anymore. It knocked on the bottom end for the first couple of minutes I started it. Then it all of a sudden stopped and sounded normal.

So would you say that was after the oil pressure came up? What I'm getting at it that it may not be necessary to change out the entire engine when all you need are new head gaskets or maybe heads. Are the heads really cracked? It was standard practice when I used to build motors to have the block and heads magnafluxed, checked for cracks, before spending money on them. I always dealt with iron heads and blocks but had friends who had the occasional cracked head and had them welded up (SBCs). I think the LS heads are cheap enough to just get another single or pair if needed.
 
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Yes you need both part #'s. The 2nd part # is an adapter kit that allows the tool to be screwed onto the reservoir in place of the pressure cap.

I finally found the right adapters and pressure tested the cooling system. I set it at about 17 PSI and within a minute I could see orangish water and bubbles coming up through the crack in the middle oil drain back hole. I left it for about 45 minutes and the PSI had dropped a couple of pounds. There was more water in the drain back hole after that. This confirms at least the passenger side head is cracked.
 
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So would you say that was after the oil pressure came up? What I'm getting at it that it may not be necessary to change out the entire engine when all you need are new head gaskets or maybe heads. Are the heads really cracked? It was standard practice when I used to build motors to have the block and heads magnafluxed, checked for cracks, before spending money on them. I always dealt with iron heads and blocks but had friends who had the occasional cracked head and had them welded up (SBCs). I think the LS heads are cheap enough to just get another single or pair if needed.

I may have answered part of this after you. Read my post above.
Yes, I'm guessing it quit knocking after the oil got circulated. I don't know, you could be right. I would just hate to spend the time and money to replace the heads the right way then have a bearing go out or something.
 

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near the end of your oil life, send a sample to be tested. All my metals were in the normal range so I feel confident I can just do the heads. The machinist showed me how to test the lifters to make sure they were rolling well enough to not wear the cam. Cans are usually good. I don't need a 6.0, hence the reason I'm doing heads only.

I, personally, wouldn't trust a used engine, unless it were rebuilt by a trusted shop.
 
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near the end of your oil life, send a sample to be tested. All my metals were in the normal range so I feel confident I can just do the heads. The machinist showed me how to test the lifters to make sure they were rolling well enough to not wear the cam. Cans are usually good. I don't need a 6.0, hence the reason I'm doing heads only.

I, personally, wouldn't trust a used engine, unless it were rebuilt by a trusted shop.

I sent an oil sample in for testing a while ago and I haven't heard back yet. Should be any day now. I don't have a lot of faith in a used engine either.
 

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I may have answered part of this after you. Read my post above.
Yes, I'm guessing it quit knocking after the oil got circulated. I don't know, you could be right. I would just hate to spend the time and money to replace the heads the right way then have a bearing go out or something.

I would ensure your bottom end is toast before dropping the coin for a complete reman. My 04 was making what sounded like a bottom end clatter, but I thought it was more like lifter noise, either from a collapsed lifter or one that was stuck from the water in the oil. The way you describe your "bottom end" noise and when it goes away, etc is exactly what I experienced. I had multiple life long motorheads listen to mine, and there was consensus that it was lifters and not rods, etc. The knock of a bottom end is a distinct thump vs. lifter chatter. What I have noticed recently is when I had the oil changed, the lifter noise is completely gone, at least for the short term. I know as the oil gets fouled by water, it will most likely return. I would suspect if you have fresh(er) oil in there, that is why it quieted down. With new oil, I saw a boost in oil pressure readings. I am still debating between a take out engine and just doing heads. I know driving it as is can cause further damage, but with 276k on it, I think I've got my money's worth and it does drive and sound normal, even though I know there is likely a head crack dribbling water in and fouling the oil and oil system. If yours is not too far gone, you may be able to correct with just heads. Do you really want to drop $3k+ into an old truck that is not worth much more than $3k? If the repair cost is not important and you're keeping it forever, then that changes things dramatically.

My oil sample came back high in water, sodium, potassium, and unfortunately lead. Lead = bearings from what I know. It will be interesting to see what yours come back with.

It sucks this happening to what otherwise is a good engine, the LS family, but I will say that I am impressed with how it's holding up, even with the water in the oil. I know I better be careful to not jinx myself now.

I am sorta looking for one of the L33's that someone previously mentioned. In Socal where I am, there are A LOT of wrecking yards, self serve pick a part, and full serve pick a parts, so there are plentiful replacement options in my area. I know I am gambling with permanent damage to my existing L59, but I'm waiting for the right option to come along to repair mine or swap out complete. An engine swap doesn't scare me. BTDT in my 69 Bronco installed a 94 Ford Lightning 351W. With this being a direct replacement, it's just unbolt and bolt in.
 
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I may have answered part of this after you. Read my post above.
Yes, I'm guessing it quit knocking after the oil got circulated. I don't know, you could be right. I would just hate to spend the time and money to replace the heads the right way then have a bearing go out or something.

Well you could pull the motor and put new rings and bearings in it to be sure. Certainly less expensive than a new or reman and when compared with a junkyard pull, you already know what you're dealing with. Besides, there's a tremendous sense of satisfaction that comes from doing it that has no price save for priceless memories.
 

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must be a NJ thing ,,,,,150 up hill on rt 80, 70 formula 400. had a 225 mph speedo. i was holding it there with 1/4 throttle. it had more, but even at 18 years old you start to wonder how smart is this??? lol

my regal i've had up to 105. this tahoe is not going over 80 mph. hats off to you all who got the balls to break 100 in one. not the most stable thing ive driven.
80 is 2nd gear in my truck lol. Go 6.0 if you want some grunt. I don't think it is a gas guzzler it just came in heavy applications setup for extreme duty and not economy. My stock 4l80 converter has to weigh twice my aftermarket billet converter..thats a lot of drag and throw in the weight of a 2500 truck and you get horrible mileage. I average 12mpg city no matter what and can get 18hwy in my truck with the 4l80 and 3k stall. Before I had a 26-2800circle d stall in my 4l60 and got 14-15 city. I have 3.42 gears and the 80e has a tough 1st gear that pushes the stall higher and shorter final drive that so I turn more rpms both ways or I wouldn't have seen a drop in mileage. Oh, using the a.c. obliterates my mileage lol..I lose 2mpg city if I run it constantly cause race truck....

If you leave the 6.0 engine stock you can probably pull better than factory 5.3 numbers although I would at least do a tune. They are a direct swap as long as you stay in the same generstion motor..Hopefully your trans likes the extra grunt..

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Fwiw I dropped a mildly built long block in my burb 2 years ago for I think 4k. Did it in 4 days in the dead of winter
Nice color scheme..lol..first time, did it by myself..no guts, no glory! Got tired of shops telling what they can't do..its not as bad as it seems..4633accd2c730ae5f3ae526ac7c38d53.jpg

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