Heavy duty rear shocks

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Rockauto says the 81071 is for the electronic suspension (isn't that the Z55) which I don't have (just ZW7). What is the difference between those 2 coils i.e. the 45H2164 vs. 45H2165 or the Moog 81069 vs the 81071, I thought it was just a slightly taller spring.

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I'd rather not go the Air Lift route and just try and stiffen up the coils. If I bought new 45H2164 for the rear would that help over the current worn coils? The other option I was looking at was the Moog 81071 coils, I was going to try the 81069 HD coils but don't want the 2" lift that comes with those.

Well of course new springs are better than old springs. I was towing a light load a few weeks ago and was nearly level. But when I replace my springs, I'm also going to add the bags, preferring the smooth ride over harsher springs because I'll rarely need their weight carrying advantage.
 
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So if I'm reading everything correctly, the AC 45H2164 (equivalent to OEM 25783733) is the HD shock at 17.2" relaxed length and the equivalent would be the Moog 81069. The AC45H2165 is the softer spring at 16" relaxed length and the equivalent of the Moog 81071. So my direct replacement would be the Moog 81069. GMparts describes 4 possible springs for that vehicle, what's confusing is I have the Premium Smooth Ride (zw7) but they point to 15115209 as the spring instead of 25783733. Although Moog says the 81071 replaces the 15115209 which is more confusing.

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So if I'm reading everything correctly, the AC 45H2164 (equivalent to OEM 25783733) is the HD shock at 17.2" relaxed length and the equivalent would be the Moog 81069. The AC45H2165 is the softer spring at 16" relaxed length and the equivalent of the Moog 81071. So my direct replacement would be the Moog 81069. GMparts describes 4 possible springs for that vehicle, what's confusing is I have the Premium Smooth Ride (zw7) but they point to 15115209 as the spring instead of 25783733. Although Moog says the 81071 replaces the 15115209 which is more confusing.

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No, the 15115209 spring is for a RWD truck. You have the same truck as me, only newer and with the iron block motor. Do you have 3.42 gears and the 2-speed transfer case?
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Mine is a RWD, non 4x4 truck...

But regardless it seems like 45H2164/81069 is for non electronic suspension (zw7 without z55).
 
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I am running 5100 bilsteins and moog HD springs and when i am loaded for overlanding it sags so the only way i fixed it was to install airlift1000 bags, which gave me barley any sag and it made the rear end more stable.
 

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I am running 5100 bilsteins and moog HD springs and when i am loaded for overlanding it sags so the only way i fixed it was to install airlift1000 bags, which gave me barley any sag and it made the rear end more stable.

He doesn't want to use the Helper bags for some undisclosed reason. It has been suggested now thrice... lol
 
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I guess that would be my final option after replacing the shocks/coils if I still had issues. Having to install the compressor to power the bags adds a lot of cost and complication to installing the Air Lift bags. I'm not really exceeding the load limits of the standard suspension so I'm hoping I don't need bags.
 

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I guess that would be my final option after replacing the shocks/coils if I still had issues. Having to install the compressor to power the bags adds a lot of cost and complication to installing the Air Lift bags. I'm not really exceeding the load limits of the standard suspension so I'm hoping I don't need bags.
I guess I am not truly understanding what you are trying to accomplish. Based on the various posts you have made in this conversation, it sounds like you want to have a vehicle that maintains the stock ride height under no load, but doesn't sag when you load it, or at least sag too much. I don't know what "too much" is for you.

Springs are a pretty simple device. They give under a certain amount of load and will give more under more load. They have what's called a spring constant. For every 100 lbs of load, the spring will deflect a certain amount. The less deflection you want, the stiffer the spring you need, if you are only relying on the spring. You can achieve almost negligible sag with very stiff springs, but you will have a very rough ride with no load.

The way I see it you have 4 options:
1) Don't do a thing, keep your existing springs and just live with the amount of sag you get when you load up the vehicle with 500 lbs of stuff in the back.
2) Go with a Variable rate spring so once you get to a certain amount of sag, the stiffer portion of the coils kick in and slow the rate of sag, but it will still sag some.
3) Go with really stiff springs and live with the stiff ride all the time you are not loaded down
4) Get some sort of helper bag system. There are a number of budget friendly options out there and not all require you to purchase and install an air compressor. Many guys have installed helper bags and just run the air lines to a valve near each wheel or out the rear near the license plate that you can manually inflate or deflate the bags like a car tire.
 

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This ^^^ is what I was going to say...

The Helper bags don't require a compressor, you can install a T-fitting and have a single Schrader valve or run them independently with two Schrader valves and simply inflate them, when you are going to load the truck down, at a gas station or with your own compressor at home.

This option is not only economical but gives you the best of both worlds because it will still ride good when unloaded. My two bits, YMMV.
 
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