Installed flowmaster now sluggish at freeway speeds?

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Turboedsupe

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So I got a 07 Tahoe 2wd 3.42 gears lowered on 305/35/24's. I only towed my trailer with a Rzr once before installing the flowmaster. I don't remember having a hard time keeping it at 70-75 in 4th gear. Now with the flowmaster I had to keep downshifting to 3rd to keep my mph up resulting in horrible gas mileage and unneeded wear. I just swapped the stock muffler for a 50 delta flow also cut the resonator off and did a turn down pipe. All OEM pipe still. All I was after was a slight rumble and better looks with lack of the ugly resonator tip. My question is could the exhaust have a effect on highway speeds or am I just losing my mind? I went like 40 miles and sucked down a 1/4 tank
 

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you may have lost a bit of backpressure and maybe some torque. Maybe get an airaid jr to get some more flow into the motor.

I dont notice any issues with my setup,
 

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What exactly was messed with? O2 sensors? Cats? Is it throwing a cel? Really doubt the flowmaster would cause problems. And this backpressure myth is not gonna do a thing
 

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Back pressure could be lost like they said

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Assuming no codes...did you scan the truck?
 

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no an exhaust wouldnt have an affect on highway speeds, backpressure or lack there of doesnt have any affect on torque like Gzes said "backpressure myth"
is the statement you made about yer vehicle burning a 1/4 tank in 40 miles a guess
because if you actually burned 1/4 tank in 40 miles you got problems
my tank is 23 gallons so 1/4 tank is over 5 gallons and lets say average of 15 mpg 75 miles on a quarter tank 60 miles minimum like if yer haulin ass
 

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I had the same thing happen in the past with a V8 BMW X5 I had. Replaced the stock exhaust which was true duals from the cat back with a pair of small Magnaflow mufflers that "should" have flowed much better than the restrictive stock big mufflers. But I lost so much mid range torque that I had to drop one gear lower to pull my old 4500 lb race car trailer. I had a muffler shop convince me that I didn't need to spend $1000 for a full manufactured system. Well I yanked off the Magnaflows and installed a full Supersprint system- and it was a world of difference.

On my previous Suburban I had also tried the muffler shop homemade build and ended up going back to stock to pull my trailer, lost too much torque.

Creating an exhaust is more than just changing mufflers. And yes, the "backpressure" myth is just that- a myth. On my race cars I've been able to measure backpressure with different headers and mufflers while on the chassis dyno, and when properly designed lower back pressure will create more torque and HP. But properly designed is more than just the muffler- it's the primary pipe size, AND fuel. Can't reduce back pressure without ensuring that the correct amount of fuel is metered. I've reduced back pressure and watched the air/fuel ratio go lean and lose torque. But programming in correct fuel delivery gets gains in torque and HP.
 

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I have 2 thought so take them for what they're worth lol
1. You towed the same trailer and make the same power but it's louder and you were driving uphill so your foot stayed in the throttle more
2. Try disconnecting battery and reconnecting to reset PCM? Maybe it needs to relearn fuel trims due to different flow?

My end all thought (3rd) is that exhaust almost always hurts mpg because you end up loving the sound so much you put your foot down further...
 

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here is a good article i found explaining the backpressure myth
"Back pressure being an essential part of a good exhaust system is a myth. It is more correct to say that a perfectly stock engine that cannot adjust its fuel delivery needs back pressure to work correctly.As with all myths, however, there is a hint of fact with this one. Particularly, some people equate back pressure with torque, and others fear that too little back pressure will lead to valve burning.

One misconception is that an increase in back pressure will increase torque, particularly with a stock exhaust manifold. Granted, some stock manifolds act somewhat like performance headers at low RPM, but these manifolds will exhibit poor performance at higher RPM. This, however does not automatically lead to the conclusion that back pressure produces more torque. The increase in torque is not due to back pressure, but to the effects of changes in fuel/air mixture, which will be described in more detail below.

Another misconception is that back pressure can result in burned valves. This is believed by some after they hear that cars (or motorcycles) that have had performance exhaust work done to them would then go on to burn exhaust valves. While the valve burning has occurred as a result of the exhaust mods, it wasn't merely due to a lack of back pressure.

The internal combustion engine is a complex, dynamic collection of different systems working together to convert the stored power in gasoline into mechanical energy to push a car down the road. Anytime one of these systems are modified, that mod will also indirectly affect the other systems, as well. Valve burning occurs as a result of a very lean-burning engine. In order to achieve a theoretical optimal combustion, an engine needs 14.7 parts of oxygen by mass to 1 part of gasoline (again, by mass). This is referred to as a stochiometric (chemically correct) mixture, and is commonly referred to as a 14.7:1 mix. If an engine burns with less oxygen present (13:1, 12:1, etc.), it is said to run rich. Conversely, if the engine runs with more oxygen present (16:1, 17:1, etc...), it is said to run lean. Today's engines are designed to run at 14.7:1 for normally cruising, with rich mixtures on acceleration or warm-up, and lean mixtures while decelerating.

The reason that exhaust valves burn is because the engine is burning lean. Normal engines will tolerate lean burning for a little bit, but not for sustained periods of time. The reason why the engine is burning lean to begin with is that the reduction in back pressure is causing more air to be drawn into the combustion chamber than before. Earlier cars (and motorcycles) with carburetion often could not adjust because of the way that back pressure caused air to flow backwards through the carburetor after the air already got loaded down with fuel, and caused the air to receive a second load of fuel. While a bad design, it was nonetheless used in a lot of vehicles. Once these vehicles received performance mods that reduced back pressure, they no longer had that double-loading effect, and then tended to burn valves because of the resulting over-lean condition. This, incidentally, also provides a basis for the "torque increase" seen if back pressure is maintained. As the fuel/air mixture becomes leaner, the resultant combustion will produce progressively less and less of the force needed to produce torque.

Modern vehicles are generally exempt from the effects of a decrease in back pressure. Because the computer that controls the engine will detect that the engine is burning leaner than before, and will adjust fuel injection to compensate. So, in effect, reducing back pressure really does two good things: The engine can use work otherwise spent pushing exhaust gas out the tailpipe to propel the car forward, and the engine breathes better. Of course, the computer's ability to adjust fuel injection is limited by the physical parameters of the injection system (such as injector maximum flow rate and fuel system pressure), but with exhaust back pressure reduction, these limits won't be reached. "
 
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