Mystery Oil Loss - Where is the oil going? 2008 Yukon Denali

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This one is baffling. I mean, truly baffling.

The issue: Intermittent oil loss of at least one quart of oil. I had the oil uptake O ring and oil pump on my Denali for the usual reasons. Now the problem is even worse and has become absolutely bizarre.

OK, so if I drive 1000 miles at highway speeds I don't lose a drop of oil, but it I drive locally, I'll lose a quart in 100 mile, but it occurs at random. I check the oil in the morning and evening to verify this all. I get up in the morning, the oil is at the full mark. I drive less than 50 to 100 miles locally, go home in the evening and the oil is exactly full. The next morning I check the oil and a quart has vanished. There is no oil on the ground in the garage, and absolutely no sign of a leak anywhere. But, sitting over night, a quart of oil has vanished. This will happen every two days just like clockwork. Every two days. Sometimes a quart of oil will vanish in a 20 mile trip, no smoke, no leaks, no nothing).

There is no smoke from the tailpipe at all at any load or speed (I had someone follow me to verify, and they observed no smoke at all even when a quart vanishes in a 20 mile trip, which is another issue). We checked all the seals, no leaks; We checked the compression, and it's exactly factory specs. The spark plugs have absolutely no deposits on them whatsoever. No oil contamination of coolant and vice versa. Where is the oil going and why?

I even hung a sheet under the chassis and drove and not a speck of oil, yet a quart vanished in as little as 10 miles. And this occurs at two day intervals like clockwork. I can check the oil and not drive the vehicle for two days and at two days, a quart vanishes with not a drop on the ground. I even checked the catch can on the snorkel and not a drip. The oil just vanishes even while parked.

There are no performance issues. I get 23-28 mpg in the highway and 17 local; I get 15 mpg pulling a loaded two horse trailer local or highway. The oil loss always seems to occur when I am parked overnight and nearly only when I am parked over night. But never a speck of oil under the vehicle. I even sent the oil off for analysis and there is no dilution or significant contamination other than what would be normal - however, I had the mechanic who did the O ring and oil pump check everything and he is totally puzzled; I had a stealership check it out and they are puzzled and said they've never seen anything like it before. The only common conclusion is that the oil companies are selling Zero weight oil and labeling it 5W-30 and it's degrading and evaporation. No one can explain it.

Any thoughts on this one? Has anyone seen this type of thing before?
 

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My 08 YXL Denali did that too. Had it from 96k to 140k over six years til 2020.

Does someone have the part # of the updated valve cover handy?
 

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I had a GM 3900 that every couple of years would suddenly consume all of its oil. I could only surmise that all of the gaps on the piston rings had lined up allowing the oil to more easily pass into the combustion chamber.

My truck uses oil prodigiously when my wife and daughters drive it. The routinely spin the motor up over 3500 rpms. I rarely turn it that much when driving.
 

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I'm a firm believer in looking at the easiest and frequently the obvious cause. Take a flashlight and make sure your dipstick tube isn't rusted through just below the exhaust manifold..... And intermittently your dipstick sliding through the rust hole. Just throwing that out there :cool:
 

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.... Thinking outside the box here.... Have we looked at your coolant? You're not pumping oil into your cooling system through a crack in the oil cooler? I would think you would have noticed that by now.... Just a wild thought.
I'd be putting a PCV catch can on it right away and monitoring it.
 
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2007-2008 used 12582224

I had a GM 3900 that every couple of years would suddenly consume all of its oil. I could only surmise that all of the gaps on the piston rings had lined up allowing the oil to more easily pass into the combustion chamber.

My truck uses oil prodigiously when my wife and daughters drive it. The routinely spin the motor up over 3500 rpms. I rarely turn it that much when driving.


Funny you should mention the RPM issue. I was talking to a friend in Tennessee who said that his '08 Puke started doing this after the first time he used the 'trailer/tow' feature to pull a trailer and never quit after that until he literally flooded a solvent (he used MAF sensor cleaner) into the tube and let it sit for an hour or so and cranked up the motor.

The trailering/tow mode on these vehicles absolutely sucks. The reason is that you don't shift out of 1st or 2nd gear unless you hit 3000 RPMs or better. That, and when you are cruising on a flat surface at 55mph, it keeps flipping back and forth from 4th to 5th at 2000-2500 RPM. It overruns the motor unnecessarily.

The second possible issue is a faulty oil pressure sensor sending bogus data to the ECM but he isn't quite sure why this would be (I do have to say that my OEM GM oil sensors bought directly from the dealership fail after about 3 or 4 months. I've gone through about 4 per years that have failed, and they are a dog to replace unless you remove the intake manifold to get to it. Otherwise, you'd better be an acrobat and contortionist to replace the sensor without removing the manifold).

The gaps in the rings is a distinct possibility for the intermittent nature of the problem. I stuck a bore scope camera into each cylinder to look for scoring or other defects and found nothing and the compression is as good as new. But that's possibly part of the problem. The one issue is that GM put the wrong O rings in the oil uptake tube in at the factory just to meet production demands and the second issue contributing to it was that they didn't install the deflector on the return tube of the oil cooler (which means that the oil sprays right up into the crank shaft and will sludge up your motor in a New York minute and sludge up your PCV orifice).

I haven't decided whether or not the GM design engineer are incompetent or malicious.

"Incompetence carried to a sufficiently advanced level is absolutely indistinguishable from deliberate malice." - Gray's Law
 
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.... Thinking outside the box here.... Have we looked at your coolant? You're not pumping oil into your cooling system through a crack in the oil cooler? I would think you would have noticed that by now.... Just a wild thought.
I'd be putting a PCV catch can on it right away and monitoring it.

I thought of that exact possibility. The plastic gallery for the intake has a catch can, but it's dry as a whistle, but that's not the only path oil can be sucked up into the intake manifold and leave no oil in the catch can. There is an after market catch can you can add if you don't already have on. It essentially plugs the intake manifold receptacle and runs the PCV into a can, so to speak. The motor will run better, you don't lose oil, per se, by the tree huggers will go berserk. You'd think if you were burning a quart of oil in 20 to 100 miles you'd have a smoke screen behind you.

The oil cooler on this vehicle is a separate affair and not in any way connected to the radiator as is the same for the transmission cooler, so it would be unlikely to get oil and coolant transfer unless a head gasket is blown or there is a crack in the blocks which isn't the case here. I have a separate oil cooler, etc., and there isn't any milkshake or moisture on the oil filler cap or in the antifreeze (and the compression is perfect).

I usually shoot for the simplest and cheapest possibility before I go down the rabbit hole with GMC. LOL
 

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This one is baffling. I mean, truly baffling.

The issue: Intermittent oil loss of at least one quart of oil. I had the oil uptake O ring and oil pump on my Denali for the usual reasons. Now the problem is even worse and has become absolutely bizarre.

OK, so if I drive 1000 miles at highway speeds I don't lose a drop of oil, but it I drive locally, I'll lose a quart in 100 mile, but it occurs at random. I check the oil in the morning and evening to verify this all. I get up in the morning, the oil is at the full mark. I drive less than 50 to 100 miles locally, go home in the evening and the oil is exactly full. The next morning I check the oil and a quart has vanished. There is no oil on the ground in the garage, and absolutely no sign of a leak anywhere. But, sitting over night, a quart of oil has vanished. This will happen every two days just like clockwork. Every two days. Sometimes a quart of oil will vanish in a 20 mile trip, no smoke, no leaks, no nothing).

There is no smoke from the tailpipe at all at any load or speed (I had someone follow me to verify, and they observed no smoke at all even when a quart vanishes in a 20 mile trip, which is another issue). We checked all the seals, no leaks; We checked the compression, and it's exactly factory specs. The spark plugs have absolutely no deposits on them whatsoever. No oil contamination of coolant and vice versa. Where is the oil going and why?

I even hung a sheet under the chassis and drove and not a speck of oil, yet a quart vanished in as little as 10 miles. And this occurs at two day intervals like clockwork. I can check the oil and not drive the vehicle for two days and at two days, a quart vanishes with not a drop on the ground. I even checked the catch can on the snorkel and not a drip. The oil just vanishes even while parked.

There are no performance issues. I get 23-28 mpg in the highway and 17 local; I get 15 mpg pulling a loaded two horse trailer local or highway. The oil loss always seems to occur when I am parked overnight and nearly only when I am parked over night. But never a speck of oil under the vehicle. I even sent the oil off for analysis and there is no dilution or significant contamination other than what would be normal - however, I had the mechanic who did the O ring and oil pump check everything and he is totally puzzled; I had a stealership check it out and they are puzzled and said they've never seen anything like it before. The only common conclusion is that the oil companies are selling Zero weight oil and labeling it 5W-30 and it's degrading and evaporation. No one can explain it.

Any thoughts on this one? Has anyone seen this type of thing before?
That is absolutely bananas......but props on the excellent MPG score!
 

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so details on this oil. are you filling it back up every time you find it a qt low?

what if you don't fill it, will it come back up after a day of driving and be lower again in the morning? Other members have filled the kids can full and very short mileage until they replace the valve cover and soak the Rings. Around town actually makes sense to use more oil because vacuum through the PVC system is much higher under decell than it is just cruising down the highway


first thing, change that valve cover. it fixes almost everyone's oil use and I might be reading your post wrong but I'm not sure you understand a catch can fully. you don't block anything off to add it and you definitely don't have one stock in the intake. tree huggers do not care if you have a catch can lol. nothing is vented.
 

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