Need Moar LOW! McGaughey Spindles + Coil Relocators...

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Currently, my truck is down 2/3 with a McGaughy kit. Immediately after installing the kit, I noticed that the front driver side sat about half an inch lower than the passenger side, although for the most part, the truck sat pretty much level front to back, but with some people and other miscellaneous weight in it, I had that Cali lean. :Insane: NOT the look I'm appreciative of, at all! Lol. So I started to think of ways to remedy these problems.


My first thought was to add something like a 1/2-3/4" spacer in the rear to bring the ass end up a bit and solve the sagging issues when loaded down. I've since decided against this because when the truck isn't loaded down it leaves too much of a gap between tire and rear fender. So I through this idea out the window!


Next idea was suggested by goodinblack. This was to add helper bags to the rear. At first I was thinking this was the best solution, but after some more info from Mr. goodinblack, I found out that the bags only provide a small amount of lift, and to achieve this, it takes a pretty good amount of air pressure, which doesn't complement someone looking for a fairly comfy ride. I may add helper bags for assistance in my towing ventures, but not for anything else. My search continued...


After some more research, I found out that McGaughy's offers a product called coil relocators. Effectively, these lower the front coil spring perch further down the body of the strut. Much the same as Tony's strut modification does, which I also just recently learned of. My goal is to purchase the coil relocators and bring the front end down another inch. These relocators allow me to kill three birds with one stone due to their adjustability of up to two inches of drop, in half inch increments. Bringing the front down an extra inch will allow me to carry some weight in the truck without it sagging, and they also won't add anymore fender gap in the rear when unloaded. Another benefit to these is that I can remedy my front end GM lean by using the relocators to bring the driver's side down an inch, and the passenger side down an inch an a half. Alas, no more lean! Woo hoo! The third plus is that hopefully I'll maintain a decent ride quality since I'll retain the factory front strut and spring assembly.


Has anyone lowered their front end using drop spindles AND coil relocators? I can't think of any safety concerns that may arise doing this, but maybe there are some? The only downside I've been able to come up with is that the truck might have too much of a rake while unloaded. If this turned out to be the case after installation, I figured this could most likely be remedied by playing around with the amount of drop I add to the front until I can find a nice balance since the relocators offer the adjustability they do. I'd appreciate anyone chiming in with their opinions or experiences!
 
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So nobody's done this, huh? How's everyone with more than a 2/3 drop achieving the extra drop up front after the spindles? Drop springs and drop spindles? Drop struts and drop spindles? I figured someone would have combined drop spindles and coil relocators by now for more than two inches of drop up front. I'm surprised nobody has any opinion or experience on this topic. :shrug:


If I don't receive any input on combining the spindles and relocators, maybe I'll just end up being the test subject and seeing how it works out. Although I'm sure this has been done before. Lowering these trucks is nothing new...
 

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People have done this. Read about it on some other forums.

I have the relocators on the front set at 1.5 inches and it rides excellent.

Also. You may get MORE than a one inch drop set at 1 inch.

For example, I set my mcgaughys reloactors at 1.5 inches, and it ended up sitting 2 inches lower.

So if you set yours at 1 inch with both steel rings in, you may be at a 1.3 inch drop........... or so.

How mine sits now.one_zps69a73c84.jpg

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Next idea was suggested by goodinblack. This was to add helper bags to the rear. At first I was thinking this was the best solution, but after some more info from Mr. goodinblack, I found out that the bags only provide a small amount of lift, and to achieve this, it takes a pretty good amount of air pressure, which doesn't complement someone looking for a fairly comfy ride. I may add helper bags for assistance in my towing ventures, but not for anything else. My search continued...

I still suggest you do this IMO.

Even though the bags will NOT RAISE the rear height much.............. the bags will HOLD the height and keep it from sagging.


So your 2/3 drop stays near a 2/3 and not be 2/5 fully loaded
If that makes sense.
 
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People have done this. Read about it on some other forums.

I have the relocators on the front set at 1.5 inches and it rides excellent.

Also. You may get MORE than a one inch drop set at 1 inch.

For example, I set my mcgaughys reloactors at 1.5 inches, and it ended up sitting 2 inches lower.

So if you set yours at 1 inch with both steel rings in, you may be at a 1.3 inch drop........... or so.

How mine sits now.one_zps69a73c84.jpg

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I still suggest you do this IMO.

Even though the bags will NOT RAISE the rear height much.............. the bags will HOLD the height and keep it from sagging.


So your 2/3 drop stays near a 2/3 and not be 2/5 fully loaded
If that makes sense.

Yup, makes perfect sense, man. The only thing holding me back from adding the bags is the ride quality with the bags aired up. More often than not, I've got a full tank of fuel and also a considerable amount of weight in the truck due to required gear for work. This means in order to maintain the ride height I'm after, I'll need what, about 15-20 psi in the bags? I'm in the truck a lot, so I'd like as nice a ride as possible, especially after adding new shocks and struts in the last week. Like I said, I'm going to install them to assist with towing, anyway, so I'll get that done before considering the relocators and see how they work out with maintaining height and a decent ride quality. Maybe I can play around with the bag pressure and find a happy medium where I've got the best of both worlds.


And thanks for the tips on the relocators. I'm glad they keep the ride on the good side. I've read in a couple different places that these, and also Tony's strut mod, may have a negative impact on strut life? Not sure I'm convinced they would, but who knows. How have yours held up since adding the relocators?


BTW, your truck looks great, man! As it sits in that pic, its down 2" in the front via the relocators and also 2" out back with the BellTech springs and bags, right? And I'm still undecided on shaving the side moldings and emblems. Some pics I think its too plain looking and others I think its just right. Tough decision on that one! :hmmm2:
 

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Yup, makes perfect sense, man. The only thing holding me back from adding the bags is the ride quality with the bags aired up. More often than not, I've got a full tank of fuel and also a considerable amount of weight in the truck due to required gear for work. This means in order to maintain the ride height I'm after, I'll need what, about 15-20 psi in the bags? I'm in the truck a lot, so I'd like as nice a ride as possible, especially after adding new shocks and struts in the last week

Think you are way over-thinking this LOL

The bags aired up all the way (25 PSI +) ride stiff IMO.........

However if you have say....... 15 PSI and are loaded up....... it will ride really nice.

Loaded down the bags ride nice, the truck empty and the bags aired up is what rides bad.

It's just like a pickup truck with leaf springs, the ride empty is hards, loaded up is nice.

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BTW, your truck looks great, man! As it sits in that pic, its down 2" in the front via the relocators and also 2" out back with the BellTech springs and bags, right? And I'm still undecided on shaving the side moldings and emblems. Some pics I think its too plain looking and others I think its just right. Tough decision on that one! :hmmm2:

Thank you :)

2/1.5

I wanted a clean look. It seems like if you change one thing you end up changing it ALL.......... like escalade moulding need esky mirros, then dorr handles.......... etc. I don't want a Escalade look all the way. The main thing I always wanted off a Escalade were the rear lights.
 
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Think you are way over-thinking this LOL

The bags aired up all the way (25 PSI +) ride stiff IMO.........

However if you have say....... 15 PSI and are loaded up....... it will ride really nice.

Loaded down the bags ride nice, the truck empty and the bags aired up is what rides bad.

It's just like a pickup truck with leaf springs, the ride empty is hards, loaded up is nice.

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Thank you :)

2/1.5

I wanted a clean look. It seems like if you change one thing you end up changing it ALL.......... like escalade moulding need esky mirros, then dorr handles.......... etc. I don't want a Escalade look all the way. The main thing I always wanted off a Escalade were the rear lights.


Cool. I'll just order the damn bags and be done with it! Lol. Thanks, again, for the input. And I know what you mean about changing shit up. The second mod I did was ditching the stock tails for Esky tails and appliqués. I freakin' love them! Along with anything L.E.D. Added Sylvania/Osram LED tag lights and did all the interior lights with Osram LED's. Great mod, IMO. Expensive as shit, but very high quality bulbs! And I bought a full set of chrome Esky/Denali handles, but then decided against using them. They're just collecting dust in their GM box in the garage if you need a set. I'd still like to do Esky mirrors and roof rack. Hopefully they'll still look right with body colored moldings and door handles. We'll see, I guess...I've been in contact with a local Denali XL owner who wants to ditch his chrome roof rack in favor of a standard rack, so I'm impatiently waiting for him to find time to remove his rack and meet up with me. Can't wait for that...
 
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Currently, my truck is down 2/3 with a McGaughy kit. Immediately after installing the kit, I noticed that the front driver side sat about half an inch lower than the passenger side, although for the most part, the truck sat pretty much level front to back, but with some people and other miscellaneous weight in it, I had that Cali lean. :Insane: NOT the look I'm appreciative of, at all! Lol. So I started to think of ways to remedy these problems.


My first thought was to add something like a 1/2-3/4" spacer in the rear to bring the ass end up a bit and solve the sagging issues when loaded down. I've since decided against this because when the truck isn't loaded down it leaves too much of a gap between tire and rear fender. So I through this idea out the window!


Next idea was suggested by goodinblack. This was to add helper bags to the rear. At first I was thinking this was the best solution, but after some more info from Mr. goodinblack, I found out that the bags only provide a small amount of lift, and to achieve this, it takes a pretty good amount of air pressure, which doesn't complement someone looking for a fairly comfy ride. I may add helper bags for assistance in my towing ventures, but not for anything else. My search continued...


After some more research, I found out that McGaughy's offers a product called coil relocators. Effectively, these lower the front coil spring perch further down the body of the strut. Much the same as Tony's strut modification does, which I also just recently learned of. My goal is to purchase the coil relocators and bring the front end down another inch. These relocators allow me to kill three birds with one stone due to their adjustability of up to two inches of drop, in half inch increments. Bringing the front down an extra inch will allow me to carry some weight in the truck without it sagging, and they also won't add anymore fender gap in the rear when unloaded. Another benefit to these is that I can remedy my front end GM lean by using the relocators to bring the driver's side down an inch, and the passenger side down an inch an a half. Alas, no more lean! Woo hoo! The third plus is that hopefully I'll maintain a decent ride quality since I'll retain the factory front strut and spring assembly.


Has anyone lowered their front end using drop spindles AND coil relocators? I can't think of any safety concerns that may arise doing this, but maybe there are some? The only downside I've been able to come up with is that the truck might have too much of a rake while unloaded. If this turned out to be the case after installation, I figured this could most likely be remedied by playing around with the amount of drop I add to the front until I can find a nice balance since the relocators offer the adjustability they do. I'd appreciate anyone chiming in with their opinions or experiences!


do the belltech drop struts in front start with fresh shocks and i have them for 200 shipped. My custom springs in rear ride better than what you have in back now but i think you happy with the back
 
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do the belltech drop struts in front start with fresh shocks and i have them for 200 shipped. My custom springs in rear ride better than what you have in back now but i think you happy with the back

Tony, I considered the BellTech drop struts, but I just installed new front struts and rear shocks within the past week. I'd hate to remove the brand new front struts just to replace them with the BellTech's...:(
 

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