Poll: Who's NOT Using Rear Hardware Kit With 5" Drop Rear

[M Hankel]

Here ya go:

http://djmsuspension.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/RK2000.pdf

Sweet. Thanks, that helps alot. Those are almost identical to my 4th gen brackets.

The swaybar links are a bit different than I thought, but I might have a work around for those also.

Mike

 

[NORCAL SS]

brackets alone are $95

 

[ballsie]

Ive put over 50k miles on my 5" DJM springs and I did not use the hardware kit. I havent had any issues with them at all. Whether you have the hardware kit or not, the DJM 5" springs ride like crap.

 

[WHITEOUT]

My .02¢ on relocation brackets for what it's worth

Relocation brackets aren't needed!! All relocation brackets do is just that. Relocate lower control arms to a better angle, i.e. OEM position, more parallel to the ground. They can not move the axle or pinion, since nothing gets moved by installing brackets beside lower control arm angle. How could they if upper arms are still in the same position with no relocation brackets also? Nothing gets moved besides the angle of the lower control arms.

NO!!! adjustable lower control arms do not do the same thing as relocation brackets tho. They are meant to be used to stiffen up control arms for better traction and less sway, increased stiffness in rear end. And if uppers are gotten as we'll, can both be adjusted out to recenter axle. But lower adjustable arms by themselves can only be used to stiffen up rear end, unless willing to adjust out for a positive or negative pinion angle.

All that being said, relocation brackets do help. By moving the lower arm to a more parallel position, it does give better traction and control, and also gets lower arm away from frame.
Before I installed relocation brackets, my lower arms (stocks at time) would hit frame on big bumps. Once I got adjustable lower control arms tho, it would have fixed that issue without installing relocation brackets. But I do have relocation brackets and adjustable lower control arms now. And I have driven with and without both seperately, with no issues either way.

This is all just my observation from being dropped with different setups for a number of years now. Trying and using different parts and ways to see what rides the best, what works and what doesn't.

 

[Knobz]

NO!!! adjustable lower control arms do not do the same thing as relocation brackets tho. They are meant to be used to stiffen up control arms for better traction and less sway, increased stiffness in rear end. And if uppers are gotten as we'll, can both be adjusted out to recenter axle. But lower adjustable arms by themselves can only be used to stiffen up rear end, unless willing to adjust out for a positive or negative pinion angle.

You kinda just contradicted yourself in that statement... You make them longer, your gonna pull the driveshaft out. You make them shorter and your gonna shove the deiveshaft up into the transmission like someone else mentioned. So adjustable lowers do more than just strengthen things.
Just saying....

 

[WHITEOUT]

Bro, I'm just saying they aren't the same as relocation brackets. Yes, they can do more then just strengthen up bars, that's why they are adjustable right? But by themselves, they aren't really meant to be adjusted, but hey, you know more then me. But to say they do the same thing as relocation brackets, is just plain wrong. But they are "meant" to stiffen up rear end, was the initial reason behind making square or round tube rear control arms. JUST SAYIN!
Sorry if I wrote something contradictory, just trying to help. haha, all good

 

[NORCAL SS]

Ive put over 50k miles on my 5" DJM springs and I did not use the hardware kit. I havent had any issues with them at all. Whether you have the hardware kit or not, the DJM 5" springs ride like crap.

This is why i havent used them in years. Trailblazer springs with belltech street performance shocks sits lower rides much better.

 

[Knobz]

Bro, I'm just saying they aren't the same as relocation brackets. Yes, they can do more then just strengthen up bars, that's why they are adjustable right? But by themselves, they aren't really meant to be adjusted, but hey, you know more then me. But to say they do the same thing as relocation brackets, is just plain wrong. But they are "meant" to stiffen up rear end, was the initial reason behind making square or round tube rear control arms. JUST SAYIN!
Sorry if I wrote something contradictory, just trying to help. haha, all good

It's alright. I'm not trying to stir the pot. Just trying to help to new person about the brackets.
I've always interrupted that the brackets and adjustable arms do the same thing cuz they both move the axle backwards. And that brackets is the less expensive way versus the adjustable Spohn arms cost more.

 

[WHITEOUT]

All goods man, were all here to help I'm just letting ya know, relocation brackets and adjustable rear lower control arms are two different things, for two different purposes. And while RLCA can move axle (when properly used with upper adjustable control arms) Relocation brackets can not move the axle, cause RUCA would still be in same position, so it would technically only change pinion angle if they actually moved RLCA backwards or forward. I have tried, and even when I removed or installed brackets, axle never moves. It's just not possible, since the brackets merely just reposition the RLCA lower, while keeping the same actual mounting distance in comparison to stock. If you were to look at the relocation brackets, the holes where the RLCA mount are just moved in correlation to axle mounts. I hope this all makes sense. The mounting position of arm is same distance whether installed directly to axle, or to bracket. So again, relocation brackets are just that, for relocating the RLCA to a better position/angle, and can't help lower, move or do anything else to suspension. Or they never did anything like that for my Tahoe.

I don't know everything, just learned while I did adjustments, and still learning. But I used to think the rear hardware kit did more in regards to suspension, and is deceiving how it's sold, IMO. But after using and trying different configurations, I know exactly what they can and can't do. And not saying people shouldn't buy or use them, but they just don't do as much as people think.
Just trying to help

 

[M Hankel]

All goods man, were all here to help I'm just letting ya know, relocation brackets and adjustable rear lower control arms are two different things, for two different purposes. And while RLCA can move axle (when properly used with upper adjustable control arms) Relocation brackets can not move the axle, cause RUCA would still be in same position, so it would technically only change pinion angle if they actually moved RLCA backwards or forward. I have tried, and even when I removed or installed brackets, axle never moves. It's just not possible, since the brackets merely just reposition the RLCA lower, while keeping the same actual mounting distance in comparison to stock. If you were to look at the relocation brackets, the holes where the RLCA mount are just moved in correlation to axle mounts. I hope this all makes sense. The mounting position of arm is same distance whether installed directly to axle, or to bracket. So again, relocation brackets are just that, for relocating the RLCA to a better position/angle, and can't help lower, move or do anything else to suspension. Or they never did anything like that for my Tahoe.

I don't know everything, just learned while I did adjustments, and still learning. But I used to think the rear hardware kit did more in regards to suspension, and is deceiving how it's sold, IMO. But after using and trying different configurations, I know exactly what they can and can't do. And not saying people shouldn't buy or use them, but they just don't do as much as people think.
Just trying to help

This is exactly why I made this post. I wanted to know more about what the brackets did and did not do. I now knkw they have their place/use, but not totally required. I may still get some in the future but as of now, i might dropping my Tahoe this weekend.

Thanks to everyone for sharing your experiences.

Mike

Mike