Soooo Disappointing :(
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TxDrewski
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Thats where I scour for Tech Info on Cams/Heads and like I said, BB Wheatly and Nelson pretty much own the GM tuning market for gas applications, Just like " Idaho Rob" and the Duramax's.
Im pretty set on Wheatly, I was just wondering what other Tuners with a good Rep where around this area.
HPE does a lot of LS engines and tuning
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I hear most on here are very happy with Black Bear.
Personally I think you should pick a tuner that is near you.
That is why I have been thinking of going to Nelson Performance myself.
Personally I think you should pick a tuner that is near you.
That is why I have been thinking of going to Nelson Performance myself.
Please do enlighten us....
Cookie cutter? By what means? Traditional tune yes....however, inperson/scan cable/AutoCal/dyno are not really cookie cutter.
High dollar trucks?
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Keep in mind, if you purchased an AutoCal that is from a BBP customer, it is locked to BBP. Can not be used with/by another tuner. AutoCals are locked to their original tuners V2. If I recall, Wheatley no longer uses EFILive (which is what AutoCals use) as his equipment was stolen. He uses HPTuners, which is not AutoCal compatible.
Also, what email are you sending from? I don't see any unread emails from an Andrew or Drew.
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Lol this is what i was trying to say earlier heads exhaust tune gives some pep but you need them gears to get you goin
but yes i totally agree with you i did the same thing exhaust intake heads and a tune and all that mumbo jumbo and it sounded great had a little more pep but i did not see a dramatic increase untill i installed the 4l60E i rebuilt with the performance rebuilt kit and high stall converter with a vette servo shift kit and all that next month im finally doing a cam with all new valve train
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No problem, just wanted you to understand what the deal with the AutoCal was. The AutoCal is indeed locked to our V2, another user can't use it, unless it is unlocked by EFILive.
I looked up your email, assuming that you had not been responded to, and found that you had quite a chain going on, with your last email sent on Friday, and the response email sent on Tuesday (after a holiday).
The link that was provided was the link to follow for the instructions, your info is already in there, you just needed to input your serial number and your email address. As far as the "free" tune, looks like Justin was just checking to see if the AutoCal had been used before. If the slot had not been used, he was not going to charge you for the tune (as that is included in the original AutoCal price). But the AutoCal had been used, as one of the tune slots was taken up.
Sorry it didn't work out for you, best of luck! I had an 04 Tahoe, with the right mods, she would get up and go!
I looked up your email, assuming that you had not been responded to, and found that you had quite a chain going on, with your last email sent on Friday, and the response email sent on Tuesday (after a holiday).
The link that was provided was the link to follow for the instructions, your info is already in there, you just needed to input your serial number and your email address. As far as the "free" tune, looks like Justin was just checking to see if the AutoCal had been used before. If the slot had not been used, he was not going to charge you for the tune (as that is included in the original AutoCal price). But the AutoCal had been used, as one of the tune slots was taken up.
Sorry it didn't work out for you, best of luck! I had an 04 Tahoe, with the right mods, she would get up and go!
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I looked up your email, assuming that you had not been responded to, and found that you had quite a chain going on, with your last email sent on Friday, and the response email sent on Tuesday (after a holiday). [/QUOTE]
When I initially started posting, I had no response to the email I sent the 26th.
My first email was sent on the 25th explaining where I got the unit. Jarred emailed me the next day. Then Justin asked for the members info, and stated that if it HAD been tuned, there would be no charge to me.
I explained I would rather pay for a tune, I had the money set aside for it. It was two full days later before I got a response. Both of the provided links just take me to the Auto Cal order page, I get an error message "Login Failed".
Now at no time was I given a login name. i assumed that because I was asked for the members first and last name that I purchased the unit from, and because I was using the serial # from that unit, their login was required (since Im not a customer). So after the last email I sent on the 29th, by the time I responded too on Sept 2nd, I had already contacted Charlie. The email on the 02nd Did state at the bottom to use MY email to login. Info that I coulda used on the 26th
. There are 9 emails from us back and forth, over the course of
8 days.
I have 14 emails back and forth from charlie, starting that Saturday night until Sunday afternoon, at the end of which I was given two contact #s.
Im not trying to bash you guys at all. It was just a bad experience, im sure its not common, but... +1 Charlie for customer service.
[/QUOTE]Sorry it didn't work out for you, best of luck! I had an 04 Tahoe, with the right mods, she would get up and go![/QUOTE]
You had FI!!! Jeez I want to go that route SOOOO Badly but a built motor should net the same HP and cost less... But damn, the "wow" factor is certainly with the supercharger lol. I should have bought those AEM headers from you, would have turned out to be a few hundred bucks cheaper on me in the long run, but you live and learn lol. You were very helpful and prompt with your responses, and I admire the fact that you are here defending BlackBear. I wish this much effort would have went into the emails I received when I first inquired about a tune.
I was warned that any post about any other tuner aside from BlackBear would turn out just like this lol. Brand "X" is better than Brand "Y" because I have brand "X" and my cousins best friends aunts sister has "Y" and it did this/didn't do that..
Here is what I am going to do, in the interest of :science/fairness/curiosity/baby Jesus and Tom Cruise.
Im going to hold off on the heads/cam package. The "Cookie cutter" comment really bothers me. When I think of "Cookie Cutter" tunes I think of :
Edge
Hypertech
Quadzilla
Diablo
Bully Dog
Etc Etc
Next to the Moates QuaterHorse software we used to use on the OBD1 mustangs (ahh the good ole days), I think the Autocal is the best Non "canned" tune you can get next to EFI live and a Dyno. At no time have I ever said that I thought BlackBear tunes were anything other than IMO, on par with other tuners and worth the money. So since this is my post, I feel kinda like an ass and partially responsible for the wee bit o drama lol. Im just a little impatient, and big on customer service, and had a bad experience.
Sooooo,
I will keep the AutoCal for now, and pay for a tune from BlackBear. I will then tune the Hoe, drive down to H-Town, and have the truck Dyno'd. I will then go and see Charlie for a tune. If the AutoCal cannot be used, I will purchase another one from Charlie, have the truck tuned, and then Dyno'd. Ill post up the results of both and let everyone see what Im pretty sure I already know. Both will net about the same results, both will be worth it, both will kick the shit out of any handheld over the counter tuner, and both will be far from "cookie cutter".
Whichever Tuner I go with ill keep to myself and sell the AutoCal (If I have to buy 2), get the Heads/Cam and another tune/dyno and throw those results on here.
Sorry to all for whats turned into more than just " Im an idiot and got headers and they didnt do what I wanted, had trouble with a tune, not sure what to do" thread that I initially wanted it to be
I looked up your email, assuming that you had not been responded to, and found that you had quite a chain going on, with your last email sent on Friday, and the response email sent on Tuesday (after a holiday). [/QUOTE]
When I initially started posting, I had no response to the email I sent the 26th.
My first email was sent on the 25th explaining where I got the unit. Jarred emailed me the next day. Then Justin asked for the members info, and stated that if it HAD been tuned, there would be no charge to me.
I explained I would rather pay for a tune, I had the money set aside for it. It was two full days later before I got a response. Both of the provided links just take me to the Auto Cal order page, I get an error message "Login Failed".
Now at no time was I given a login name. i assumed that because I was asked for the members first and last name that I purchased the unit from, and because I was using the serial # from that unit, their login was required (since Im not a customer). So after the last email I sent on the 29th, by the time I responded too on Sept 2nd, I had already contacted Charlie. The email on the 02nd Did state at the bottom to use MY email to login. Info that I coulda used on the 26th
. There are 9 emails from us back and forth, over the course of 8 days.
I have 14 emails back and forth from charlie, starting that Saturday night until Sunday afternoon, at the end of which I was given two contact #s.
Im not trying to bash you guys at all. It was just a bad experience, im sure its not common, but... +1 Charlie for customer service.
[/QUOTE]Sorry it didn't work out for you, best of luck! I had an 04 Tahoe, with the right mods, she would get up and go![/QUOTE]
You had FI!!! Jeez I want to go that route SOOOO Badly but a built motor should net the same HP and cost less... But damn, the "wow" factor is certainly with the supercharger lol. I should have bought those AEM headers from you, would have turned out to be a few hundred bucks cheaper on me in the long run, but you live and learn lol. You were very helpful and prompt with your responses, and I admire the fact that you are here defending BlackBear. I wish this much effort would have went into the emails I received when I first inquired about a tune.
I was warned that any post about any other tuner aside from BlackBear would turn out just like this lol. Brand "X" is better than Brand "Y" because I have brand "X" and my cousins best friends aunts sister has "Y" and it did this/didn't do that..
Here is what I am going to do, in the interest of :science/fairness/curiosity/baby Jesus and Tom Cruise.
Im going to hold off on the heads/cam package. The "Cookie cutter" comment really bothers me. When I think of "Cookie Cutter" tunes I think of :
Edge
Hypertech
Quadzilla
Diablo
Bully Dog
Etc Etc
Next to the Moates QuaterHorse software we used to use on the OBD1 mustangs (ahh the good ole days), I think the Autocal is the best Non "canned" tune you can get next to EFI live and a Dyno. At no time have I ever said that I thought BlackBear tunes were anything other than IMO, on par with other tuners and worth the money. So since this is my post, I feel kinda like an ass and partially responsible for the wee bit o drama lol. Im just a little impatient, and big on customer service, and had a bad experience.
Sooooo,
I will keep the AutoCal for now, and pay for a tune from BlackBear. I will then tune the Hoe, drive down to H-Town, and have the truck Dyno'd. I will then go and see Charlie for a tune. If the AutoCal cannot be used, I will purchase another one from Charlie, have the truck tuned, and then Dyno'd. Ill post up the results of both and let everyone see what Im pretty sure I already know. Both will net about the same results, both will be worth it, both will kick the shit out of any handheld over the counter tuner, and both will be far from "cookie cutter".
Whichever Tuner I go with ill keep to myself and sell the AutoCal (If I have to buy 2), get the Heads/Cam and another tune/dyno and throw those results on here.
Sorry to all for whats turned into more than just " Im an idiot and got headers and they didnt do what I wanted, had trouble with a tune, not sure what to do" thread that I initially wanted it to be
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