Supercruise owners, thoughts?

[todayusay]

I wanted SC on a 23 Suburban I picked up a couple months ago (waited 10 months for build); it wasn't available but I took the car anyway.

WIthout SC, lane keep assist on this suburban is absolute weak-sauce. It will bump me back once if I slowly drift towards the line (after my tire is on the line) and then ping pong me into the other lane line and the next bump usually sends me out of the lane. It is garbage compared to the LKA+lane centering in a 2022 Honda Odyssey we had before - which didn't require a subscription. The Odyssey could effectively drive itself on highways without major curves - it could handle small curves fine and kept me centered in the lane. It actually helped steer the vehicle (and read speed limit signs) with onboard technology; no relying on external data connections or paid subscriptions.

TLDR - don't expect any real steering assistance without SuperCruise. GM's free offering for steering assistance (no subscription) is garbage compared to Asian brands; I believe the paid experience outdoes them. Comes down to whether it's available and worth the monthly cost to you.

I'm not paying for another subscription though wish I had it installed in case I wanted to spring for it on a long road trip.

the running joke in our family is that our mid-$20k accord has a better user interface than our $70k Tahoe...everything simply works faster/easier to use...it also has adaptive cruise with LKAS and speed limit sign recognition that doesn't need a subscription. seems like GM is consistently 5yrs or more behind the industry leaders

GM does offer a large SUV with a lot of room so there's that

 

[Stbentoak]

I turned my LKA off the 2nd day I owned it. Don’t need a nanny telling me how to steer. Wouldn’t use if it did work good…

At least when you turn it off it stays off…..

 

[Seamus]

I wanted SC on a 23 Suburban I picked up a couple months ago (waited 10 months for build); it wasn't available but I took the car anyway.

WIthout SC, lane keep assist on this suburban is absolute weak-sauce. It will bump me back once if I slowly drift towards the line (after my tire is on the line) and then ping pong me into the other lane line and the next bump usually sends me out of the lane. It is garbage compared to the LKA+lane centering in a 2022 Honda Odyssey we had before - which didn't require a subscription. The Odyssey could effectively drive itself on highways without major curves - it could handle small curves fine and kept me centered in the lane. It actually helped steer the vehicle (and read speed limit signs) with onboard technology; no relying on external data connections or paid subscriptions.

TLDR - don't expect any real steering assistance without SuperCruise. GM's free offering for steering assistance (no subscription) is garbage compared to Asian brands; I believe the paid experience outdoes them. Comes down to whether it's available and worth the monthly cost to you.

I'm not paying for another subscription though wish I had it installed in case I wanted to spring for it on a long road trip.

Spot on. The LKA is terrible in the new generation. I was shocked, because after owning the 2017 Yukon Denali it was a feature I had to have along with Adaptive cruise. It was alot better in the 2017 and is terrible in the 2021. Ping pong and then a miss and it goes off road. I didnt use it much, but did use it when towing and need to input an address in Waze, trying not to go into a ditch! Our German cars do this much better and they are older. Leave it to GM to have a good feature and make it worse in the newer model. I guess this was to get people to want Supercruise...and pay monthly.

 

[DuraYuk]

Spot on. The LKA is terrible in the new generation. I was shocked, because after owning the 2017 Yukon Denali it was a feature I had to have along with Adaptive cruise. It was alot better in the 2017 and is terrible in the 2021. Ping pong and then a miss and it goes off road. I didnt use it much, but did use it when towing and need to input an address in Waze, trying not to go into a ditch! Our German cars do this much better and they are older. Leave it to GM to have a good feature and make it worse in the newer model. I guess this was to get people to want Supercruise...and pay monthly.

You need to understand the different terminology to understand the systems limitations. Most people don't. This article does a good job showing what they are called and what they do. https://www.consumerreports.org/dri...g-assist-system-is-right-for-you-a4813532588/

 

[navyseal334]

You need to understand the different terminology to understand the systems limitations. Most people don't. This article does a good job showing what they are called and what they do. https://www.consumerreports.org/dri...g-assist-system-is-right-for-you-a4813532588/

I understand the terminology and limitations; the "differences" in "terminology" are tactics used by GM to justify putting out a garbage product and milk customers for more money on a high premium car.

Lane-keep assist is better implemented in most foreign brands for free while GM has apparently neutered their free implementation to motivate people to pay up for a monthly subscription for an enhanced version.

Foreign brands and 2017 GM had a "strong" implementation. Foreign brands still have a strong implementation, and GM has now replaced strong and introduced a crap tier (circa 2015 technology levels) and a very strong option (SC). Foreign strong and GM crap are both free while GM very strong requires a monthly subscription.

GM dropping the strong implementation from 2017 and introducing the gulf between their free crap version and paid very strong option is a strategic business decision to drive SC subscriptions, which unfortunately shafts buyers of an $80k vehicle who want a good option without a subscription (equivalent to that found in a $25k Honda) but are stuck with garbage instead. It is an especial kick in the nuts to those who would have ponied up for SC but could not get the option due to constraints and are now stuck with a vehicle whose driver assistance technology is equivalent to cars produced about 8 years ago.

 

[DuraYuk]

I understand the terminology and limitations; the "differences" in "terminology" are tactics used by GM to justify putting out a garbage product and milk customers for more money on a high premium car.

Lane-keep assist is better implemented in most foreign brands for free while GM has apparently neutered their free implementation to motivate people to pay up for a monthly subscription for an enhanced version.

Foreign brands and 2017 GM had a "strong" implementation. Foreign brands still have a strong implementation, and GM has now replaced strong and introduced a crap tier (circa 2015 technology levels) and a very strong option (SC). Foreign strong and GM crap are both free while GM very strong requires a monthly subscription.

GM dropping the strong implementation from 2017 and introducing the gulf between their free crap version and paid very strong option is a strategic business decision to drive SC subscriptions, which unfortunately shafts buyers of an $80k vehicle who want a good option without a subscription (equivalent to that found in a $25k Honda) but are stuck with garbage instead. It is an especial kick in the nuts to those who would have ponied up for SC but could not get the option due to constraints and are now stuck with a vehicle whose driver assistance technology is equivalent to cars produced about 8 years ago.

I wouldn't say free as the good stuff is only available on higher trims of foreign cars.

 

[mrrairai]

I wanted SC on a 23 Suburban I picked up a couple months ago (waited 10 months for build); it wasn't available but I took the car anyway.

WIthout SC, lane keep assist on this suburban is absolute weak-sauce. It will bump me back once if I slowly drift towards the line (after my tire is on the line) and then ping pong me into the other lane line and the next bump usually sends me out of the lane. It is garbage compared to the LKA+lane centering in a 2022 Honda Odyssey we had before - which didn't require a subscription. The Odyssey could effectively drive itself on highways without major curves - it could handle small curves fine and kept me centered in the lane. It actually helped steer the vehicle (and read speed limit signs) with onboard technology; no relying on external data connections or paid subscriptions.

TLDR - don't expect any real steering assistance without SuperCruise. GM's free offering for steering assistance (no subscription) is garbage compared to Asian brands; I believe the paid experience outdoes them. Comes down to whether it's available and worth the monthly cost to you.

I'm not paying for another subscription though wish I had it installed in case I wanted to spring for it on a long road trip.

I have a 2021 Honda Accord Touring and they could honestly make their vehicles self-driving by adding a few more features To their LKA. That thing is a champ.

 

[todayusay]

I have a 2021 Honda Accord Touring and they could honestly make their vehicles self-driving by adding a few more features To their LKA. That thing is a champ.

and it's also standard on their lowest trim level - $26k...not just the higher trims

 

[Danimalx87]

You're paying a monthly fee to use the data network, and to get updates to your maps. Since Super Cruise launched, they've already doubled the amount of roads supported to 400k miles. Two routes I take frequently were added and it was appreciated.

It's frustrating to pay over six figures for a new truck, and then have to stomach monthly subscriptions, but that's the new reality of vehicles that are as connected as your cell phone, and basically a computer with tires.

I can attest to the fact that the maps and vehicle behavior has changed with super cruise, even in the short time I've had it. There's a section of interstate by me that has a serious S curve, and when roads are clear, traffic is about 80 mph. That's a little fast for the truck to manage and previously SC would disengage forcing me to take over and steer. Now, the truck will slow itself down as the curve approaches, to about 71, and resumes my set speed after completing the chicane.

Hands down (pun intended) the best use of Super Cruise is when you get stuck in bumper to bumper 5-10 mph crawling on the interstate due to construction or other incidents. It does all the work and you just sit and relax.

 

[pruittatl]

I have a 2018 Honda Accord Sport and was surprised when ordering this 2023 Yukon Denali that things like LKA and Adaptive cruise control was such a “big” deal. This stuff seems pretty standard and it’s been out forever on these Hondas. I honestly don’t even like using these features that much. It is hit or miss. But we need the extra room for a large SUV so we’re excited when it comes in.