Upgrading my brakes

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Jewel or Jalopy

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Let me see if I can cover the questions that have come up so far. Ok, to start with, as I have stated before in several threads. Putting new rotors and pads on is only PART of the required service. To get the most benefit out of your hard parts you MUST, let me repeat, you MUST: clean and grease your caliper guide pins VERY well; you MUST use new hardware (I don't sell many Hawk pads at all so I was unaware that they did not come with the hardware); you MUST seat them in properly. The parts come with piece of paper in the package explaining how to do this, but if you have a shop perform the installation, this step may get skipped without your knowledge; you NEED to grease the back side of the pads, while it may seem like overkill, this is another vital part of avoiding squealing/squeaking; and for those trucks that are quipped with hydroboost, I HIGHLY recommend also FULLY flushing the power steering AND brake fluids. This is also a VITAL part of the installation of new hard parts, without this step, the calipers themselves will not provide the proper clamping pressure to function at 100%.

The Posiquiet pads are a full ceramic formula that are "Pre-scortched" to eliminate the need for an actual "break in period", but they do still need to be properly seated to the rotors. With proper installation and a full service of EVERYTHING in the braking system, I have yet to have anyone complain of squealing. In every single case of squealing complaints, there were steps in the servicing that were skipped, whether in the interest of saving time or money or whatever the case may be, there has always been something that wasn't done. If you have installed or had installed new parts of ANY brand and have missed ANY of these steps, you NEED to go back through the installation process to ensure that you do them ALL. This is necessary not only to avoid squealing, but also to ensure the longest possible longevity of the parts as well.

As for the parts for the 6.2L Denali, ALL 07+ models use the same brake parts. Anyone wanting brake parts for their 07+ model Tahoes, Yukons, etc should look the parts up as if looking for an 07 model. This is the only model year that the R1Concepts catalog shows all the available parts for. Anyone who cannot find what they are looking for should contact me directly so that I can help you find what you need. This way I can get you taken care of without questions as to whether the part #'s are correct.

Also, for those that have ordered the Eline series rotors, but are looking for the black "look". Painting will help, but you need to make sure to use high temp paint. But for those that want that "look", their Premium rotors are not only a higher quality rotor, they are also coated with a military grade electrocoating for corrosion protection.

As for the stickers, anyone who would like to have an R1Concepts decal can message me and I will get one to you. I have been after R1Concepts about including a decal in with every order, but they have not yet come around to my way of thinking. I mean, it is afterall, free advertising...lol

ALL of that being said, we are actually providing another 20% off discount for those that have been waiting for one. Now thru July 31st, anyone ordering through me or through the catalog can use PROMO CODE AC2013 to receive the 20% off discount. Additionally, I am ALWAYS available for questions, concerns, complaints or anything else for that matter. That is what I am here for and I am MORE than happy to help with anything anyone needs at all.

Kelly,

Can you recommend a pad compound for someone who tows occasionally? I don't want to give up cold stopping bite, but want to make sure that coming down a mountain with our trailer (which does have brakes) that we don't experience fade.

Would the Pos-Quiet semi-mettalic be a better choice? And will it have reduced capabilities cold?

Thanks,
Ian
 

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Actually, I have run the full ceramics on my 03 Dmax for over four years now. The first two of which were my last two years of hauling Christmas trees out of Sparta NC on highways 21S and 18S. My "Average" load total gross weight (truck, trailer and load combined) weighed in around 35K lbs. Those two highways are also both 6-9% down hill grades, 21 is about 5 miles and 18 is about 15 miles of bad corners and switch backs on a two lane road. In the years before installing the Premium rotors and posi ceramic pads, the pads and rotors would be metal to metal. But not only did the posi's eliminate the fade that I had with the stock brakes, the original stuff I put on four years or so ago are STILL on the truck today with well over 50% of the pads left.

In a nutshell, I truly believe they will perform VERY well with anything you could possibly haul behind your Tahoe. Without any fade or issues of any kind. It is because of my personal experience with using those pads on everything I own that I recommend them so highly. I have NEVER had ANY issues out of them at all. I have also never had complaints from ANYONE that performed a complete and proper brake system service during the installation of the new parts.

Below is a pic of one of my largest loads, this load weighed in at around 34K lbs TGCVW. The truck and trailer together weigh in at 14,440K lbs empty.
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I've also read great things about the Centric Fleet Performance pad. Would love to hear your opinion on the difference in noise/dust and fade between the two.

Either way I need to get home and see how my rotors look and then I'll be calling. Thanks!
 

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I honestly can't provide any real dependable data for comparison between the two. I have heard good things about the Centric pads and while I have not sold many sets of them, I have also never really heard anything bad about them at all.

However, R1Concepts prides themselves on the quality of all the parts they sell. I highly doubt that anyone would have issues, problems or otherwise with the Posi's, Centric, Hawk or any other parts they offer.
 

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I recently installed the hawks on my fronts,with prem card/slot. During the seating procedure I really heated up those rotors and fluid smokin hot and they still stopped well. On my old ss a rough break in like that would have left me with no breaks and would have had to give the truck a rest on oem pads.

Absolutely no noise at all from them not a peep.
I have the posi quiet arriving on Monday for the rears. I will advise on those when I get them installed.
 

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I have had some high pitched squealing going on with mine during partial (light pedal) braking, but admittedly I didn't have time (or the open runout space needed) to bed them in properly. I only made one 65 pass, one 55 pass and two 45mph passes. Tonight on my lunch break I really romped on them, made several more 65>10, 55>10 and 45>10 passes. One thing I'll say is that these pads and rotors are a wicked combo - they had NO problem bleeding off speed with my 285-70-17 NTG's installed, I damn near locked them up at 60mph. I actually had to back off the pedal for fear of flat-spotting my brand new tires! Wow.

Truck is cooling in the parking lot now, off work in about 90 minutes. I'm hoping the run tonight solves the issue. My own fault for not doing it enough to begin with.
 
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Well, the squealing subsided for about a day, then came back. Guess I'll have to live with it or buy new pads again.
 

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I have the blue hawk pads. So far no noise with the r1s
 

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Well, the squealing subsided for about a day, then came back. Guess I'll have to live with it or buy new pads again.

I talked to R1Concepts yesterday about this and was told that if the proper "seating procedure" wasn't followed at the time of installation, leading to possible noise, that if you provide a break in period of between 4-800 miles, the noise would subside once the pads were indeed finally seated in properly to the rotors.

I must stress again, proper attention to detail during installation of new brake parts, regardless of brand, will lead to a better overall experience with those parts. New parts installed without following a full and complete brake system service can lead to issues that may at times make it seem as if the new parts themselves are not all that they were promised to be. With that said, in the past 5-6 years that I have been selling these same packages, for Tahoes, Yukons, 3/4 & 1 ton diesel trucks and even class 8 trucks; I have never once had a customer have issues with the parts not performing as promised when a proper brake system service was completed during installation.
 

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So I got the rear eline rotors yest. Definitely a noticeable quality difference between the premium and eline.
 

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