What did you do to your NNBS GMT900 Tahoe/Yukon Today?

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wsteele

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I did not know this, but it makes sense. Thanks for sharing.

Interesting side note: In piston-engined aircraft, we now track EGT and CHT on individual cylinders, and adjust the mixture to either very rich (100ºF+) or lean (50-100ºF) of peak EGT (average) to get our mixture set just right for climb, cruise or descent. People operated aircraft for decades about 50ºF rich-of-peak EGT to supposedly keep the exhaust valves cooler. Cylinders would last maybe 800 hours. It became just SOP to plan on replacing cylinders at least once during an engine's TBO run. Then along came some engineers in Tulsa who figured out how to put pressure transducers inside of each cylinder to record internal cylinder pressures. They discovered that peak internal cylinder pressures happened at about 50ºF rich of peak EGT - right where everyone had been taught to run them. And, that meant it was also where there was the highest chance of pre-ignition, and where combustion events generated the most heat as a result, which of course went right into the material of the cylinders making them harder to cool effectively.

Long story short, switching to running the engines on the lean side of peak EGT, which everyone was afraid to do due to decades of 'conventional wisdom', makes the cylinders last more than twice as long, with lower fuel burn. Go figure. Funny thing about it though, they looked back at the old Pratt & Whitney operating manuals from the WWII era and found that lean-of-peak is the way they recommended their piston engines be run way back then. Somehow, an entire industry had gotten it wrong for decades between WWII and around 2005.
It wasn't that long ago (maybe about the time the Graphic Engine Monitors started showing up in GA, not 100% on that), that articles in the GA press started talking about running LOP. I didn't know many who thought that was a good idea, all in that camp felt you most certainly were going to "burn valves" by running LOP. They probably still debate that kind of thing on sites like Pelican, although I haven't been there in a very long time.
 

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This morning I dropped her off at the dealership where I had previously scheduled a brake booster replacement. When making the appointment I told them exactly what I needed and they agreed to order the parts and have them ready.

Which they did not. :banghead:

So a quick in and out job is now 2 days of downtime.
 

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This morning I dropped her off at the dealership where I had previously scheduled a brake booster replacement. When making the appointment I told them exactly what I needed and they agreed to order the parts and have them ready.

Which they did not. :banghead:

So a quick in and out job is now 2 days of downtime.
Yep, I learned to call them the day before and verify the parts are actually on hand. That’s so irritating. This was for my daughters Cruze, warranty work. Then they want to give her a loaner and want her insurance card. No way, last time she got a loaner it got a tiny scratch in the rear bumper and they filed a claim with her insurance. She had no choice. They painted it in-house and charged $1000. That turned out to be her third claim and they dropped her.
 

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Yep, I learned to call them the day before and verify the parts are actually on hand. That’s so irritating. This was for my daughters Cruze, warranty work. Then they want to give her a loaner and want her insurance card. No way, last time she got a loaner it got a tiny scratch in the rear bumper and they filed a claim with her insurance. She had no choice. They painted it in-house and charged $1000. That turned out to be her third claim and they dropped her.
That was some BS!! $1000??!! Yeah, ok!
 

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It wasn't that long ago (maybe about the time the Graphic Engine Monitors started showing up in GA, not 100% on that), that articles in the GA press started talking about running LOP. I didn't know many who thought that was a good idea, all in that camp felt you most certainly were going to "burn valves" by running LOP. They probably still debate that kind of thing on sites like Pelican, although I haven't been there in a very long time.
I should’ve known you might be a fellow 100LL addict. When/what did you last fly? Yes, Pelican’s Perch.

The debate still happens, but we now have operating data over a many years that shows that the fears were unfounded, and both engine and aircraft manufacturers now publish LOP guidance for their operating manuals, so that’s something. And yes, graphical engine monitors (and balanced fuel injectors) did help usher in the era. Prior to that, all we had was a single imprecise needle for all 4, 6, 8, 9, or even 27 cylinders, which is partly why ROP operation became the norm. It felt ’safe’, despite the evidence to the contrary.

I‘m now at 2700 hours on an 1800 TBO on a Continental O-470. Cylinders overhauled 15 years ago due to leaking exhaust valves after 700 hours of ROP operation. After that, LOP and keep CHTs below 300 always. No more problems. Annual borescope and compression tests show the cylinders still look and hold pressure like new. Oil analysis still showing low wear. I’ll overhaul it when my mechanic says it’s time, or she starts talking to us.
 

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I should’ve known you might be a fellow 100LL addict. When/what did you last fly? Yes, Pelican’s Perch.

The debate still happens, but we now have operating data over a many years that shows that the fears were unfounded, and both engine and aircraft manufacturers now publish LOP guidance for their operating manuals, so that’s something. And yes, graphical engine monitors (and balanced fuel injectors) did help usher in the era. Prior to that, all we had was a single imprecise needle for all 4, 6, 8, 9, or even 27 cylinders, which is partly why ROP operation became the norm. It felt ’safe’, despite the evidence to the contrary.

I‘m now at 2700 hours on an 1800 TBO on a Continental O-470. Cylinders overhauled 15 years ago due to leaking exhaust valves after 700 hours of ROP operation. After that, LOP and keep CHTs below 300 always. No more problems. Annual borescope and compression tests show the cylinders still look and hold pressure like new. Oil analysis still showing low wear. I’ll overhaul it when my mechanic says it’s time, or she starts talking to us.
I do remember all that now. GAMI injectors were the guys first really pushing the LOP methods. I actually bought a set with a GEM for a 35 Model Bonanza I owned at the time. They worked great, and it was great fun when leveling out in cruise and watching all those bars come up together when leaning things out.

I solo’ed when I was 16 in my Dad’s PT17. I have flown a lot of different type of aircraft. Personally I have owned a Cessna 172, 2 different normally aspirated Bonanzas (V35B and an A36), 3 Different turbo charged 36 models, a Turbo Normalzed A36 and 2 B36TC. I also have owned a P-Baron, a Duke and a Pitts S2B. Buying fixing up and selling planes was kind of a hobby of mine for a long time.

When I turned 62 I quit flying. I likely could still pass the physical, but all the men who went before me in our family line have died of heart attacks, so…. ;)

I have a little over 8000 hrs and an ATP rating. Yeah, 100LL junkie, guilty as charged. :)

If I can figure out how to PM you pictures, I will send you some of the planes I loved the most.
 
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I do remember all that now. GAMI injectors were the guys first really pushing the LOP methods. I actually bought a set with a GEM for a 35 Model Bonanza I owned at the time. They worked great, and it was great fun when leveling out in cruise and watching all those bars come up together when leaning things out.

I solo’ed when I was 16 in my Dad’s PT17. I have flown a lot of different type of aircraft. Personally I have owned a Cessna 172, 2 different normally aspirated Bonanzas (V35B and an A36), 3 Different turbo charged 36 models, a Turbo Normalzed A36 and 2 B36TC. I also have owned a P-Baron, a Duke and a Pitts S2B. Buying fixing up and selling planes was kind of a hobby of mine for a long time.

When I turned 62 I quit flying. I likely could still pass the physical, but all the men who went before me in our family line have died of heart attacks, so…. ;)

I have a little over 8000 hrs and an ATP rating. Yeah, 100LL junkie, guilty as charged. :)

If I can figure out how to PM you pictures, I will send you some of the planes I loved the most.
Amazing!!! What a fabulous selection of aircraft. Duke. Bet you had some engine headaches. I had a friend who had one and lost an engine on takeoff. Lived to tell about it. And the Turbo A36 is about the best family hauler around. The Pitts S2B is about the most fun you can have with your clothes on. Lol.

I've owned a 1964 Cessna 182G since 2003. It's all the airplane I've ever needed for camping, traveling, sightseeing. When I lived in Colorado, it was a time machine for getting to West Yellowstone in 3 hours vs. a 10 hour drive, making weekend fishing trips feasible. PPSEL, VFR. In Colorado there is 2 kinds of IFR: ice and thunderstorms. I never cared to fly in either one. :)

Yes, GAMI. George Braly and crew. Met him several times. He was intrigued that my 182 (NA, carbureted) had such even mixture distribution that it would run smoothly LOP. The secret was keeping the intake tube clamps tight and backing off the throttle just enough to create turbulence over the throttle plate.

Wow...very cool you had all of that experience with different aircraft and flying.
 

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I traded the Ty for an 87 alsoView attachment 345561View attachment 345560
Bought it with 44k on it back in 95, gave it to my son with 48k on it last summer.
Ha…my man! That teal sure looked purdy. Hell of a bold choice for GM but I’m glad they had the balls to do it.
I’ll have to dig up some photos of my GN. She was black as well, but it came with the gold spoke wheels. One of the fastest production cars GM made until recent changes to the camaro and the vette.
My uncle bought a 2020 or 2019 Buick Regal GS Sport? Something like that. Retired GM foreman didn’t quite realize just what he bought. He knew it was fast, but didn’t know it was basically the updated version of the GN. Not quite as sexy as his 69’ GS 400, but is still supposed to be pretty nice. Then covid hit and it’s been in storage ever since, so one of these days I’ll have to make it over there for a ride.

Did you tell your son that he’s only allowed to pass down the torch, and that he’s not allowed to sell her?
 

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