why is the 4l60e such a P.O.S.?!

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mdiacont322

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What makes the 4l60e such garbage? this is my 4th one and i think its already on its way out after only a couple thousand miles.

How hard is it to put a 4l80e in a 1997 tahoe so i dont have this problem anymore?

Mike
 

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Are you putting stock ones back in where stock ones failed?? I rebuilt mine in my garage and it's shifting today like it did the day I put it in. I don't go easy on mine either, lots of hills and mtns, spinning tires up highway on ramps, hard stop light launches and I've been known to race it occasionally.
 

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agreed, makes ya wonder why they did them from the 90's al the way through...why keep adding great trucks, trashy tranny...another, look at Dodge tranny's...why....
 

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Why is the 4L60e considered a POS

First of all, the 4L60e suffers from having undersized three / four, clutch discs, for the truck application.

There are two ways to improve the performance of those clutch discs. Increase the number of them, or increase the trans pressure, or both. When they add disc’s they have to be thinner to occupy the same space, so they tend to heat up faster being thinner.

The “e” in 4L60e, stands for “electronic”. The ECM controls the trans pressure using Throttle position, Mass Air Flow, RPM’s and Vehicle speed. There are other considerations also, but those are the main ingredients.

If your going through transmissions in a few thousand miles, I would expect there is something wrong with the ECM settings. Hooking up a pressure gauge and going for a test drive should quickly prove if all is proper.

In a manual transmission application, when the clutch pedal is released, spring pressure clamps the disc and pressure plate together. In the 4L60e, it is hydraulic pressure, provided by a pump that holds the clutch disc together. How tight they are depends on the settings in the ECM and it’s interpretation of the above mentioned input sensors.

The “Force Motor” tables in the ECM are where the settings are made on what trans pressure is used for the TPS and MAF input.

When power settings are high, the pressure is high and when power demand is lowered, the pressure drops to make the shifts smoother. Depending on the trans and how it is built, pressures can range from 60 psi to 300 psi.

I use separate controllers for my 4L60e and 4L80e. To me it is cheap insurance that the trans is operated properly for performance applications.

As far as the trans being a POS, the 4L60e itself is not the culprit in most cases. There are millions of them out there that work just fine, when they are used in a cars they were designed for. General Motors should have used 4L80e’s in all ½ ton trucks and up to start with IMHO.

Also, the newer vehicles have the torque control that drops the torque during shifts to try to improve the life of the tranny’s. :)
 

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On my stock tune I found out that the torque converter was staying locked during shifting. From what I've been told, this is bad since it puts stress on the trans during a weak point (shifting). Just an FYI on what I found on my stock tune for my 4L60E.
 

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60e in a big heavy truck is just not strong enough, true, in a car they may be fine, 3500-3800 lbs. But a 6000 lb sled...that's why the 65e was made, to handle more power in the Denali's, etc.
 
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well... trans number 1 was stock. It overheated due to a crushed cooler line.
#2- burnt a clutch pack and the front pump
#3- snapped the output shaft in TWO places
#4- Who knows?

The trans was supposedly rebuilt with extra clutches every time (I was told it would make it stronger).

the truck is not stock either. Is it possible that I could be overpowering the trans? I have a machined TB (bored to 75mm and restrictor plate taken off the butterfly), Spectre intake, flowmaster 40 exhaust, and a Superchips flashpaq.

how hard is it to rebuild the 60e to make it stronger?

And thanks for the link rican4lfe
 
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I think MonsterTransmissions sell rebuild packs for the 60E. Like Heavy Duty Rebuild packs to upgrade parts aswell. I'd say screw it and go with FinishLineTransmissions or Monster Transmissions and get a built up 65E.
 
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would a 65e fit in a 1997?

And if i switched to an 80e, would the truck be faster or slower due to the different gears? I ran the numbers but i dont really know about trans gear ratios... all the better if it gives it more go! lol
 

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