couple audio questions, jl w7, kicker, phoenix gold

[blueflamed03]

chances are....

 

[felixgun]

Hopefully someone will keep buying JL and others then! Lol

I have a JL 250/1 but it's the older model when they gave you more raw RMS power bang for your buck-- basically before they got all corporate on the industry

 

[chip]

I agree with you for sure! But everything is different now. Just trying to look out for ya. I'd check into some other brands.

I understand. It just sucks to hear that they changed is all I'm sayin'.

I'm currently running an Fi SSD 12 in a 3cu ft. ported box with 1300 watts rms going to it and it screams for more. This thing is indestructible.

I would highly recommend Fi over JL.

Tell me more?

Guys we have to remember EVERY brand has high and low end models.. hell you can get a 12" sony for $40 at walmart.. but that doesn't make it worth a sh*t.. you have to buy specific brand models. and every ones build is different.. buy for what you are wanting.. like i have the budget for a $3,000 system but i dont feel it necessary to spend that all in one place.. i want all my cargo space so i ran a flat 10" pioneer in a custom box and it will blow you out the car..

i have 4Ga feeding 750 mono threw 12Ga to a 10" Flat mount Pioneer in a little over a cubic foot custom box and it pounds... a system has to have the correct combination of items..

JL makes good and bad models.. all depends.. and they are not the same company that they were 10 years ago..

sorry for rant


4 main items for agood sound.
- plenty of power to the amp
- class D amp with more than enough juice to drive the sub
- Jub with good coils and large magnet..
- a proper proportion box matched to the specific sub..

the box airspace needs to meet the ratings of the individual sub..

ie. FI Death Penalty make tones of bass.. BUT they are huge, heavy, and take up a ton of space and require a ton of air space..



the brand name is not as important as the individual model..

Good post!

I've never dealt with AQ... BUT, I'm not talking bad about JL at all they are a good company, just seem over priced to me when compared to many of the smaller companies. I agree with why the smaller companies can sell for less, though. Just stating what I know personally.

For example my old setups: 2 JL w012s that were running on 300rms barely handled the power which is what they were rated at, in a sealed box...where as one FI X 10 rated for 300~rms was taking nearly 500 daily with no difficulties in a sealed box. Both boxes were recommended sizes. These subs were around the same price iirc, and the Fi performed way better. This is just my personal experiences... and I've done a lot of setups for others.


If JL is what you want, by all means go for it. But imo I'd rather pay less for the same subwoofer abilities, and a lot of times MORE sub abilities.

I know what you're saying.

very good post, but just want to add, magnet size shouldn't be the determining factor on buying a subwoofer. Some stack magnets just for that, wow factor. but as long as you have enough motor strength to run a woofer like it should mechanically, its enough. Imagine Neo woofers, people would pass them up becasue of magnet size, when they work perfect, just a Neo mag.



and I'm not saying anything 'bad' per 'se to smaller companies, but they need those other higher mainstream manufactures to do the leg work. Which in return, cost JL and other more.

Also good post! "You're my boy Blue!"

 

[blueflamed03]

LOL @ Chip

 

[2000Yukon]

Tell me more?

What more do you want to know. I was just trying to open some peoples eyes up to other companies. People put to much hype around JL, and from first hand experiences they're products have gone down hill in the area of quality.

A few of my friends have run JL and I've seen them blow the cone and spider right out of the basket.

 

[chip]

LOL @ Chip

All we are is dust in the wind Brother!

What more do you want to know. I was just trying to open some peoples eyes up to other companies. People put to much hype around JL, and from first hand experiences they're products have gone down hill in the area of quality.

A few of my friends have run JL and I've seen them blow the cone and spider right out of the basket.

Who are they?

I've had a suspision about JL for a while now. I've been out of the game for a while, but when I started seeing all these products they're branching out into, then looking at the prices, I was thinking: "Damn, don't tell me you sold out!" JL was my everything circa 97-2001. Now I'm looking for the next JL.

 

[blueflamed03]

A few of my friends have run JL and I've seen them blow the cone and spider right out of the basket.

then I would NOT blame the gear, i'd blame the user....

anyone can blow a sub, it takes talent to make one last is what I say.....

pushing a woofer past mechanical limits is NOT a manufacture problem. Id really like to see someone push a sub, so hard, it pushed the coil, spider, all the surround and snap BOTH tinsel leads out of a sub.......

dont see it with reasonable, and manufacture's power application.

---------- Post added at 05:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:12 PM ----------

I was thinking: "Damn, don't tell me you sold out!" JL was my everything circa 97-2001. Now I'm looking for the next JL.

just anyone that buys their basket, adds a plain cone and added "CHIPS POWER SERIES" logo on it, bam, your in business.

 

[J-dub]

JL Audio 12W7 - $450 (1000rms) < Fi BL 12" - $275 (1000rms)

JL Audio 12W7 - $450 (1000rms) < Fi BTL N2 12" - $385 (2000rms)

JL Audio 12W7 - $450 (1000rms) < T3 Audio t.1000 12" - $240~ (1000rms)


I'm tired of typing ^^ out, but you get what I'm saying.

To me it comes down to performance levels per price and JL just isn't there for me anymore. I love JL's products and they do sound good. But for the price JL charges (NO matter why they have to charge it, and this and that) a lot of people can't afford to pay for it. JL used to be WAY different.

I'm 17, and I don't make much money, but I do pay for everything on my hoe. So where I can save money and sound just as good, sometimes even better and louder. That's where I'm buying from. Not companies that charge $450 for something I can pay $385 for and run double the power. You can ask most people on SSA or SMD and get the same advice.

/rant

 

[blueflamed03]

I totally understand, but look at Scott (owner of Fi and old owner of RE) look at the basket. its a common 12 spoke basket I saw that on many drivers on my trip to China. The JL's have their own unique basket, tooled and owned by JL. Those are cost why its different. If you only look at an RMS power rumber, you can also be 'fooled' by it. Look at some amps made from China with odd names like Power Daddys, or something stupid. Power says 2000 watts and its about the size of a 100 watt amp...dont always believe the power ratings. Now I am not talking about Scott's line (great friend of mine) but some other companies out there. I just dont want everyone to believe what they read as 'real' power ratings.
The world is a BIG place, and sure you can find internet brands, and read all day on misc forums. But many times you get the same regurgitation from peope that have no real world testing, just going off what they read as well. Just repeating it again, and again, and again. Over my 23 years experience, I have seen MANY audio manufactures come and go as the 'flavor' of the week.

In the end, you buy what you want, and can afford. I surely dont have anything against it....but lets also not always be fooled by chasing numbers.
If so, sell ya a 10 second Yukon...........

 

[J-dub]

I'm not "chasing numbers", I'm getting the most out of my money.

Of course there are TONS of audio crap that would never run the right power. That's just how it is. But the companies I've posted about DO run their RMS ratings and can even exceed them. That is all...