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Alright, thanks. I've gotta get my mpg up first or the gas prices are going to kill me quickly. I'm hoping cleaning the MAF and TB will be an easy and cheap solution to that and my stalling issues. Will find out, hopefully later today. The wife keeps taking the truck so I haven't had a chance to do it yet.

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I was trying to find them, but I don't even know what exactly I'm looking for....lol.

Radiator fans? There are some on ebay for like $17.00...and they come in different sizes.

If anyone has a link to the right thing so I know what I'm looking at, that'd be great.
 

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I got one 14" eBay fan and put it in the center of the radiator, wired it to the parking light relay, so it comes on anytime the truck is on. All told: Under $20
 

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If it is only staalling when the AC is on, then you have a problem. Mine was doing the exact same thing, running fine but idling down and stumbling but not actually stalling every time I had the AC running and the truck was sitting still idling. It was doing that for about 2-3 months. Then it started chattering (sounded like a mini jackhammer) upon acceleration. I saw that the AC tensioner was broken and wobbling really bad so I changed it. The next day, that tensioner broke. I got another one and that one broke too. Then I found a paper in the box that said "WARNING, Failure to replace a faulty AC compressor will result in failure of new tensioner and/or belt. lease refer to General Motors TSB# 03-01-38-019A " I have now taken my AC belt off until I can get my compressor replaced. I have read stories on other forums about the belt getting destroyed and hitting on the transmission cooler lines (which run right under the AC compressor) and ripping the lines apart and having a bad trans fluid leak. So far I got 5 estimates to have y AC compressor replaced, and the cheapest price was 1100$ The compressor alone (if you have the rear AC like I have) is anywhere from 350-500 bucks. Plus you have to replace the drier and the orifice tube as well. When I have enough money for the parts, I will be replacing everything myself.


And here is what the service bulliten says:

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Condition
Some customers may comment about an underhood rattle noise heard on acceleration or a sudden loss of A/C system performance.

Cause
This condition may be caused by liquid slugging of the A/C compressor. This condition may cause an internal failure in the A/C compressor. The serpentine belt tensioner and serpentine belt may also be damaged.

Correction
Technicians are to check the A/C system performance and compressor operation using the following repair procedure:

Open the hood and inspect the A/C compressor for damage and to see if the compressor is seized. Verify that the serpentine belt is not damaged or missing. If the A/C compressor is seized, proceed to step 5.
Perform the A/C System Performance test. Refer to the Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning (HVAC) section of SI. Correct any performance concerns or refrigerant leaks that are found.
Inspect the vehicle for other possible sources of A/C compressor noise or performance concerns. Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 01-01-38-013 for more information.
After all other possible sources of A/C compressor noise or performance concerns have been eliminated, only then should the A/C compressor be replaced.
Remove the A/C compressor. Refer to the A/C Compressor Replacement procedure in the HVAC section of SI.
Inspect the transmission cooler lines for damage due to contact from the serpentine belt. Replace the transmission cooler lines if necessary.
Install an inline A/C system filter. Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 01-01-38-006C for more information about A/C system flushing and filter installation procedures. An A/C system flush is not to be done unless prior authorization is given by the GM Area Service Manager (in Canada, the District Service Manager).
Install an A/C Suction Screen. Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 01-01-39-003A for more information about A/C suction screen repair recommendations and procedures.
Install a new A/C compressor. Refer to the Compressor Replacement procedure in the HVAC section of SI.
Install a new orifice tube for the front A/C system. Refer to the Expansion (Orifice) Tube Replacement procedure in SI.
If the vehicle is a 2003 model year Chevrolet Express or GMC Savana van, the vehicle may require a new accumulator. Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 03-01-38-016 for more information. This bulletin refers to an updated design accumulator that may improve the performance of the A/C system.
Install a new serpentine belt tensioner and serpentine belt if they have been damaged due to A/C system slugging or an A/C compressor seizure. The serpentine belt tensioner may have broken stop tabs and/or a missing front cap.
Verify proper operation of the A/C system.
Parts Information
Refer to the GMSPO parts catalog for the latest service replacement compressor part numbers.

Part Number
Description
Qty

89016656 (*A/C Delco Part# 15-10413)
Universal In-Line A/C Filter
1


Parts are currently available from GMSPO.

*This filter may also be purchased through your local A/C Delco distributor.

Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:

Labor Operation
Description
Labor Time

D4440
Compressor Assembly - Replace
Use published labor operation time
 
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Christ, I don't have that kind of money.

It doesn't always stall. Mostly when you speed up and then suddenly slow down or come to a stop...it's like the RPM's just drop out to zero occasionally. A/C being on definitely makes it worse and more likely to stall, but doesn't seem to be necessary for it to stall. I'm going to try cleaning the MAF and TB and then do a top-end seafoam treatment per a bunch of suggestions as soon as my wife brings the truck back home today and see if that helps. If not, guess I'll be taking it to the shop to be diagnosed and estimated.
 

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If it is only staalling when the AC is on, then you have a problem. Mine was doing the exact same thing, running fine but idling down and stumbling but not actually stalling every time I had the AC running and the truck was sitting still idling. It was doing that for about 2-3 months. Then it started chattering (sounded like a mini jackhammer) upon acceleration. I saw that the AC tensioner was broken and wobbling really bad so I changed it. The next day, that tensioner broke. I got another one and that one broke too. Then I found a paper in the box that said "WARNING, Failure to replace a faulty AC compressor will result in failure of new tensioner and/or belt. lease refer to General Motors TSB# 03-01-38-019A " I have now taken my AC belt off until I can get my compressor replaced. I have read stories on other forums about the belt getting destroyed and hitting on the transmission cooler lines (which run right under the AC compressor) and ripping the lines apart and having a bad trans fluid leak. So far I got 5 estimates to have y AC compressor replaced, and the cheapest price was 1100$ The compressor alone (if you have the rear AC like I have) is anywhere from 350-500 bucks. Plus you have to replace the drier and the orifice tube as well. When I have enough money for the parts, I will be replacing everything myself.


And here is what the service bulliten says:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Condition
Some customers may comment about an underhood rattle noise heard on acceleration or a sudden loss of A/C system performance.

Cause
This condition may be caused by liquid slugging of the A/C compressor. This condition may cause an internal failure in the A/C compressor. The serpentine belt tensioner and serpentine belt may also be damaged.

Correction
Technicians are to check the A/C system performance and compressor operation using the following repair procedure:

Open the hood and inspect the A/C compressor for damage and to see if the compressor is seized. Verify that the serpentine belt is not damaged or missing. If the A/C compressor is seized, proceed to step 5.
Perform the A/C System Performance test. Refer to the Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning (HVAC) section of SI. Correct any performance concerns or refrigerant leaks that are found.
Inspect the vehicle for other possible sources of A/C compressor noise or performance concerns. Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 01-01-38-013 for more information.
After all other possible sources of A/C compressor noise or performance concerns have been eliminated, only then should the A/C compressor be replaced.
Remove the A/C compressor. Refer to the A/C Compressor Replacement procedure in the HVAC section of SI.
Inspect the transmission cooler lines for damage due to contact from the serpentine belt. Replace the transmission cooler lines if necessary.
Install an inline A/C system filter. Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 01-01-38-006C for more information about A/C system flushing and filter installation procedures. An A/C system flush is not to be done unless prior authorization is given by the GM Area Service Manager (in Canada, the District Service Manager).
Install an A/C Suction Screen. Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 01-01-39-003A for more information about A/C suction screen repair recommendations and procedures.
Install a new A/C compressor. Refer to the Compressor Replacement procedure in the HVAC section of SI.
Install a new orifice tube for the front A/C system. Refer to the Expansion (Orifice) Tube Replacement procedure in SI.
If the vehicle is a 2003 model year Chevrolet Express or GMC Savana van, the vehicle may require a new accumulator. Refer to Corporate Bulletin Number 03-01-38-016 for more information. This bulletin refers to an updated design accumulator that may improve the performance of the A/C system.
Install a new serpentine belt tensioner and serpentine belt if they have been damaged due to A/C system slugging or an A/C compressor seizure. The serpentine belt tensioner may have broken stop tabs and/or a missing front cap.
Verify proper operation of the A/C system.
Parts Information
Refer to the GMSPO parts catalog for the latest service replacement compressor part numbers.

Part Number
Description
Qty

89016656 (*A/C Delco Part# 15-10413)
Universal In-Line A/C Filter
1


Parts are currently available from GMSPO.

*This filter may also be purchased through your local A/C Delco distributor.

Warranty Information
For vehicles repaired under warranty, use:

Labor Operation
Description
Labor Time

D4440
Compressor Assembly - Replace
Use published labor operation time

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Christ, I don't have that kind of money.

It doesn't always stall. Mostly when you speed up and then suddenly slow down or come to a stop...it's like the RPM's just drop out to zero occasionally. A/C being on definitely makes it worse and more likely to stall, but doesn't seem to be necessary for it to stall. I'm going to try cleaning the MAF and TB and then do a top-end seafoam treatment per a bunch of suggestions as soon as my wife brings the truck back home today and see if that helps. If not, guess I'll be taking it to the shop to be diagnosed and estimated.

This ^^ sounds like it could possibly be an EGR/vaccum issue. Have you looked into that yet?
 
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Honestly, I don't even know what that is...lol...so no, I haven't. ;)
 

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My efans made an enormous difference in throttle response, it also netted me almost 2mpg and I typically drive rather fast. BBtube + efans + bb harness ftw, your denali will feel like a different vehicle.
 

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As said before; you have a problem and the fans will only mask the issue at best. If you are low on money, why not diagnose the problem, rather than throwing your money at MAF cleaner and electric fans, only to still have the problem?
 

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Honestly, I don't even know what that is...lol...so no, I haven't. ;)

Do you have a manual (Haynes/Chilton)? You can Google it if you have to. I'm not familiar with our EGR setup yet, so I don't want to assume anything. Maybe somebody can chime in, but basically, EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) can control idle by way of vaccum manipulation.
 

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