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Not sure. It's definitely not on the Predator, but it might be on the inTune. It is for the cars, so if its not for the trucks yet, it will be.

I'm confused ... you said you had a DS tune on your truck.
Do you have a canned tune, or only have half a custom tune without TCM?
Or is your truck pre-2007?

Btw, I'm not trying to 'corner' you ... I'm just trying to understand all the differences between the two.
 
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I'm confused ... you said you had a DS tune on your truck.
Do you have a canned tune, or only have half a custom tune without TCM?
Or is your truck pre-2007?

Btw, I'm not trying to 'corner' you ... I'm just trying to understand all the differences between the two.


I have a 2012 and a Trinity with both PCM and TCM tunes. The PCM tune has been modified by Diablos head tuner to match the gas we have in NYC. On the canned tune it was knocking like crazy, so he had to make some changes to the fuel ramp up rate.

The difference is basically that the Trinity is designed to be used as gauges and has drag strip features on it, and the inTune replaced the Predator and is designed just for tuning and logging. The Trinity also has more memory for longer logs and can hold more logs.
 

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Mike i have to say you're confusing me further ... two posts ago you say that you're not sure if the Trinity or Intune have TCM support for trucks but now you say that you have TCM tuning on your truck.

Nevertheless, I'm trying to get to a practical comparison of the two products ...as a layperson with no horse in this race, this is what I gather.

1. This conversation is moot for Cali residents where both the Trinity and Intune are illegal.

2. Can't compare 'canned' tunes to custom tunes. So if the choice is between any canned tune and a custom tune by a qualified professional, the latter is always is always preferable.

3. Intuitiveness of programming is nice but not really relevant. This is because no layperson such as myself should really ever try to tune their own ride, for any mistake may have grave consequences. So ultimately, a qualified/experienced tuner, with no history of 'bricking' vehicles, is the only one who should be trusted to custom tune a vehicle, no matter what software/hardware they choose to use.

4. You use DS company tuners, and you mention Diablew ... if I remember correctly I read somewhere that Diablew won't touch supercharged, cam, and other heavily modified vehicles. Is this true and if so, why not? What I'm trying to decipher here is if the reason he doesn't is in DS software/hardware limitations, or his own inability to do so. And if it's the latter, why not? Cause BB has no issues tuning these types of vehicles successfully.

I have other questions, both rhetorical and literal, but I'll stop here.

To me, and again I'm just an end user (not a person who doesn't work for a company but kinda does), it's really a no brainer. I can have a canned tune, an emailed custom tune from someone like Diablew who's capabilities are self admittedly limited, or, for about half the price or less, I can have Blackbear meet me in person, log my truck whilst I drive it, tune it to my personal needs and driving preferences, adjust it right there if there's something I don't like or want changed, always there with excellent customer support ... and if I want an Autocal to store my tunes I can also buy that and still come in about $150 less than a Diablew Trinity mail order tune.

I've been looking to find an impartial review of someone who has had in person tunes on one of these GM SUVs/pickups by both BB and DS, but I have been unsuccessful ... that would be the only like for like comparison to form an opinion on, short of finding someone who's had both done and cataloging the reasons why they prefer DS, everything points to Blackbear.

I'm actually not knocking the DS, from what i gather it's got the best of the canned tunes which is plenty enough for most people's needs, and it's got the ability to be custom programmed, I just have yet to find a review of a person who prefers his custom DS tune to his BB one ... but I'm surely open minded should the info manifest.

Heck, if I wasn't fortunate enough to register on this forum I'd probably be rolling with a DS Trinity canned tune having paid more for it than an in person BB tune with Autocal. :shrug:

22 cents.
 
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You can get a custom tune from a diablo trinity and predator I think they're quite the same IMO. I personally will be buying a diablosport trinity for my jeep because everyone with a jeep srt8 basically has one. Type in johan tune if you don't believe me about getting a custom tune through a diablo

My case:
http://www.cherokeesrt8.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31985
 
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Mike i have to say you're confusing me further ... two posts ago you say that you're not sure if the Trinity or Intune have TCM support for trucks but now you say that you have TCM tuning on your truck.

Nevertheless, I'm trying to get to a practical comparison of the two products ...as a layperson with no horse in this race, this is what I gather.

1. This conversation is mute for Cali residents where both the Trinity and Intune are illegal.

2. Can't compare 'canned' tunes to custom tunes. So if the choice is between any canned tune and a custom tune by a qualified professional, the latter is always is always preferable.

3. Intuitiveness of programming is nice but not really relevant. This is because no layperson such as myself should really ever try to tune their own ride, for any mistake may have grave consequences. So ultimately, a qualified/experienced tuner, with no history of 'bricking' vehicles, is the only one who should be trusted to custom tune a vehicle, no matter what software/hardware they choose to use.

4. You use DS company tuners, and you mention Diablew ... if I remember correctly I read somewhere that Diablew won't touch supercharged, cam, and other heavily modified vehicles. Is this true and if so, why not? What I'm trying to decipher here is if the reason he doesn't is in DS software/hardware limitations, or his own inability to do so. And if it's the latter, why not? Cause BB has no issues tuning these types of vehicles successfully.

I have other questions, both rhetorical and literal, but I'll stop here.

To me, and again I'm just an end user (not a person who doesn't work for a company but kinda does), it's really a no brainer. I can have a canned tune, an emailed custom tune from someone like Diablew who's capabilities are self admittedly limited, or, for about half the price or less, I can have Blackbear meet me in person, log my truck whilst I drive it, tune it to my personal needs and driving preferences, adjust it right there if there's something I don't like or want changed, always there with excellent customer support ... and if I want an Autocal to store my tunes I can also buy that and still come in about $150 less than a Diablew Trinity mail order tune.

I've been looking to find an impartial review of someone who has had in person tunes on one of these GM SUVs/pickups by both BB and DS, but I have been unsuccessful ... that would be the only like for like comparison to form an opinion on, short of finding someone who's had both done and cataloging the reasons why they prefer DS, everything points to Blackbear.

I'm actually not knocking the DS, from what i gather it's got the best of the canned tunes which is plenty enough for most people's needs, and it's got the ability to be custom programmed, I just have yet to find a review of a person who prefers his custom DS tune to his BB one ... but I'm surely open minded should the info manifest.

Heck, if I wasn't fortunate enough to register on this forum I'd probably be rolling with a DS Trinity canned tune having paid more for it than an in person BB tune with Autocal. :shrug:

22 cents.

I said I wasn't sure if the inTune had TCM support. The Trinity I knew did, because I BETA tested it on my V.

As far as your other concerns, CARB approval is pending, so both will be legal in California soon.

Canned tunes are fine for most people. The fact that DiabloSport allows you to tweak their tunes without having to go to a tuner just makes them better.

Lew will not tune for heavy mods. His reasoning is that they should only be tuned on a dyno. Thats valid, but not always necessary. Johan, their lead tuner, tuned my V for higher boost, injectors and other good stuff just with logs. It wasn't perfect, but I was able to dial it in with the user adjustable parameters. My friend owns my old V now and he drives it every day with no problems. The only problem he's had with it has nothing to do with the tune. He can't get it to stick on the track and he thinks thats a "problem".
 

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Johan tunes are legendary!
I just emailed him with this thread to see what he says
 

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As far as your other concerns, CARB approval is pending, so both will be legal in California soon.

Well that will be nice for CA residents if and when it happens ... I'm not doubting it might, but it seems trusting the word of Diablosport about what's pending is a risky proposition. Apparently that's what a whole bunch of NNBS people found out when they bought Predators assured by Diablosport that they were about to support TCM, only to be informed that it turns out it didn't and they'd have to fork out $300 to upgrade to a Trinity to have that feature. So when it happens it happens, as of now they're still illegal in California (them diesel tunes are a *****).

If the big guns show up here, I look forward to an informative conversation ... at the very least the OP will be getting more info than he would have ever dreamed of. :)
 
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