Which is better

[Regency]

Alright so what I got is that diablo sport directly does not offer a custom tune but diablo sports head tuner does custom tuning which the Johan tune basically does it the same way as BBP I guess the deal breaker is the price

 

[BlueMeanie]

Now i am confused...it seems like everyone is saying Diablo does the same thing Black Bear does? or am i reading that wrong? I won't be doing any tuning myself so how much would the Black bear cost? does either of the two give me a MPG reading on my trips?

 

[Mike_L]

Now i am confused...it seems like everyone is saying Diablo does the same thing Black Bear does? or am i reading that wrong? I won't be doing any tuning myself so how much would the Black bear cost? does either of the two give me a MPG reading on my trips?

Its capable of the same things. However, it does require some work, by both a tuner and you. Neither Diablo device offers an MPG reading. Thats usually in the DIC, so they saw no need to add it.

 

[JennaBear]

We do offer dyno tunes on our Mainline and dyno dynamics dynos. All our tunes are dyno developed, we will not tune anything we haven't had on a dyno.

We have three different mail order types of tunes, two if which are data logging based. One of which is a handheld.

We also offer inperson tuning across the States, and teach classes for EFILive and EFI University.

EDIT: I see you deleted some of your post, you probably found the above info on our site.

Sent from an ice cream sammich.

 

[BLKHOE05]

I was planning on getting a BB tune but came across an intune for $100 so I thought what the heck I will give it a shot but if I ever go another route it will definitely be Black Bear.

 

[Mike_L]

EDIT: I see you deleted some of your post, you probably found the above info on our site.

Yeah, I went to your site and found about the equipment loans and logging.

 

[Mike_L]

Heard back from Lew. He says he already participates in 18-20 forums and doesn't want to register here. He wrote out 2 paragraphs for me to cut and paste, but some of it isn't so nice if you don't know Lews sense of humor, so I really don't think I should.

Lets see if Johan comes by tomorrow.

 

[soulsea]

Oh noes ... it might hurt our feel and ruin teh xmas.

Go ahead and copy pasta, we can handle it.

 

[Mike_L]

Okay, here you go:

I'm not registering over there, I've already got 18-20 forums I gotta keep track of hahaha... here's my reply:

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Yes, both the diablosport inTune and Trinity have TCM/tranny support...

the Diablosport tools have the most end-user adjustability of any handheld out there... reads/clears trouble codes... more complete/full data logging than others since it supports all reported parameters by your vehicle - most do not and only give you a selected subset of parameters that you can log... has better preset dyno-developed tunes than others... PLUS, you have the ability to get custom tuning done for it and your vehicle.

and as for that guy asking "why not" to why I don't do cam/supercharger tunes -- I don't tune for aftermarket medium/large cams or superchargers/turbos because I am not familiar with them as far as what exactly would need to be done - since I've never had any of that done to my own vehicles nor have anything here locally that I could "test" on... so I am not comfortable doing it on someone elses vehicle via an email tune. And it doesn't matter why I say I won't do it - if I don't want to do it, I don't have to do it - would take much more time going back and forth, back and forth trying to get things right and it's not worth the hassle to me for what little I charge for a custom tune. So screw him LOL !!

 

[soulsea]

So yeah, it's basically what you said and I surmised earlier in the thread ...

- If one wants a handheld/dash mount tuner with decent basic 'canned' tunes and easy interface, the DS is a good choice. Although I'm not sure how much 'dyno testing' is involved in developing them since DS asks their customers to send in their stock tunes for development, so it would seem that a lot of the programming is based on that.

- If you have a DS Trinity or Intune and want a mail order custom tune, you can send it to adorable Lew and have him customize it, you know as long as nothing more insanely extravagant as a CAI is involved, cause of the aforementioned discomfort and stuff. In all seriousness, are Lews tunes actually custom, or just tweaks of the preset canned tunes? Cause there's a difference as I understand it.

- Someone like Johan can do a true custom tune, presumably taking advantage of the bull breadth of the Trinity/Intune potential ... that seems to be the most serious approach, the only one comparable to a BB tune, and hopefully the only method which does not result into the Diablosport forum being inundated with complaints and gripes.

I'm honestly not hating, but I did go over there last night and it's rather worrisome for anyone considering their product. I do appreciate that rarely do folks register on a vendors website to hand out huggles and I love yous, and it's usually to report an issue, but still, there seem to be a lot of issues. And in fairness, I googled the mofo out of Blackbear Tune before I purchased mine and was hard pressed to find a negative comment around the web. It just is what it is.

Anyhoot, hopefully Johan can chime in.

I'm off to get lubed ...