Maybe not all 6.2's have the bad lifter bore/ bearing wear issues

mikeyss · May 27, 2024

Antonm said:
IDK. I have zero faith in dealerships “mechanics” to be able to do literally anything the computer scanner doesn’t tell them to do.

Maybe there are one or two actual humans with functional brains working in dealership service departments, but every single one I’ve met/ talked to in the last 15 years or so has been a mouth breathing moron that’s missing several brain cells but has some extra chromosomes kicking around.

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This is a really f**ked up thing to say. The 'mechanics' you claim to be 'mouth breathing morons' HAVE to follow a set list of diagnostics GM lays out for them, even if it means a come back when the repair doesn't fix the issue. If they don't follow the list of diagnostics, GM will deny the claim and then the dealership eats that cost. GM is the one to blame, not the 'mechanic' or the dealership. I used to be one of those 'morons' you speak of, and when it comes to warranty work.... You do it their way or it's the highway.

Marky Dissod · May 27, 2024

mikeyss said:
This is a really f**ked up thing to say.
The 'mechanics' you claim to be 'mouth breathing morons' HAVE to follow a set list of diagnostics GM lays out for them, even if it means a come back when the repair doesn't fix the issue.
If they don't follow the list of diagnostics, GM will deny the claim and then the dealership eats that cost.

GM is the one to blame, not the 'mechanic' or the dealership.
I used to be one of those 'morons' you speak of, and when it comes to warranty work, you do it their way or it's the highway.

Wars are more often lost by generals, than by privates.
Most people don't realize that they've been trained specifically to misinterpret this,
but it IS nearly always easier to blame anyone that lacks the resources to fight back,
than it is to blame anyone or anything that is overflowing with excess capital, yet can never hoard enough of it.

How much more would GM have had to spend to avoid this lifter bore wear issue?
Likely, less than they're spending now to fix it.

An ounce of prevention is usually worth several pounds sterling of cure.

Antonm · May 27, 2024

mikeyss said:
This is a really f**ked up thing to say. The 'mechanics' you claim to be 'mouth breathing morons' HAVE to follow a set list of diagnostics GM lays out for them, even if it means a come back when the repair doesn't fix the issue. If they don't follow the list of diagnostics, GM will deny the claim and then the dealership eats that cost. GM is the one to blame, not the 'mechanic' or the dealership. I used to be one of those 'morons' you speak of, and when it comes to warranty work.... You do it their way or it's the highway.

It’s sad for sure, but absolutely true none the less.

The auto mechanic trade is gone, no one thinks, no one understands, no one troubleshoots,,,,they just plug into the port and mindless do whatever the box tells them. There are no mechanics anymore, only parts changers.

Blame whomever/ whatever you like, and it’s always easy looking back to see flaws, but reality is reality.

My sister was the service department manager of a Ford dealership for about a decade (yes, this is a GM Forum and this certainly opens us up to Ford jokes, but really all dealership service departments are pretty similar). I as a gear head DIY’er , I knew significantly more about my common rail ford diesel then the guy wearing a patch that read “certified master diesel tech “ on his sleeve.

I get it, they have to know several different models and new stuff comes out all time, but every one had given up even attempting to understand/ know/ comprehend what was going on and just went with plug in the box and do what the screen says mentality.

Oh, and rush through every job as fast as possible to beat book time so you can get paid for 12 hours of pay for 8 hours of work. The pay structure/ book time method and being able to get paid more for rushing through work and doing a crap job is another reason dealership mechanics suck.

Again blame whatever / whomever, but then ask yourself if I’m wrong.
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B-train · May 27, 2024

Antonm said:
It’s sad for sure, but absolutely true none the less.

The auto mechanic trade is gone, no one thinks, no one understands, no one troubleshoots,,,,they just plug into the port and mindless do whatever the box tells them. There are no mechanics anymore, only parts changers.

Blame whomever/ whatever you like, and it’s always easy looking back to see flaws, but reality is reality.

My sister was the service department manager of a Ford dealership for about a decade (yes, this is a GM Forum and this certainly opens us up to Ford jokes, but really all dealership service departments are pretty similar). I as a gear head DIY’er , I knew significantly more about my common rail ford diesel then the guy wearing a patch that read “certified master diesel tech “ on his sleeve.

I get it, they have to know several different models and new stuff comes out all time, but every one had given up even attempting to understand/ know/ comprehend what was going on and just went with plug in the box and do what the screen says mentality.

Oh, and rush through every job as fast as possible to beat book time so you can get paid for 12 hours of pay for 8 hours of work. The pay structure/ book time method and being able to get paid more for rushing through work and doing a crap job is another reason dealership mechanics suck.

Again blame whatever / whomever, but then ask yourself if I’m wrong.
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While I didn't like your first post because I am an ex 'mouth breathing moron," I do understand what you are saying. I am a lucky guy to have had excellent mentors over my learning years and consider myself above average when it comes to mechanical/electrical understanding and comprehension. I've seen many idiots over the years that have the certifications you speak of, and have payed for their lack of experience as a customer.......it's effing frustrating.

I also understand that at the dealership you are subject to an archaic, structured, payment plan that doesn't foster the desire to learn to do better......only faster and quicker. You do what the book says so you can get paid. Going the extra mile usually results in you eating it. It's a ****** system unfortunately.

Dave in Gig Harbor · May 27, 2024

2018 Silverado 1500 6.2 owner here, with 80k miles. My truck was well cared for, oil changes about every 6k miles (now severe use), using the proper AC/Delco filter and proper weight oil. Did two Blackstone tests, and all was good. Just after 80k and an oil change, the engine bent a pushrod and that was a $5000 fix on just one bank. GM V8 engines used to be bulletproof. not so much any more. The crap engineering with the displacement on demand is piss poor. Love my truck but very concerned about it. I love it so much that I may have a custom 6.2 built for it and drive it until I croak.

vcode · May 27, 2024

Anyone have an idea of what VIN's are involved? I am guessing it is a narrow date window and not every 6.2L from 2023.....

xycrazy · May 27, 2024

Ok can someone please help me understand the consequences of a replaced engine? Would that impact resale value in a negative way? Can anyone who’s buyijg the car see that miles on car doesn’t match miles on engine? Just wondering about the financial impact. Thanks

B-train · May 27, 2024

xycrazy said:
Ok can someone please help me understand the consequences of a replaced engine? Would that impact resale value in a negative way? Can anyone who’s buyijg the car see that miles on car doesn’t match miles on engine? Just wondering about the financial impact.

There are ways to think:

1. OMG!!!!! It had a major warranty repair. Engine....EEK!. Cue the run away
2. Person who knows something about vehicles. Wow! A new engine that fixed issues?! Score! It'll last longer. Total win!

vcode · May 27, 2024

xycrazy said:
Ok can someone please help me understand the consequences of a replaced engine? Would that impact resale value in a negative way? Can anyone who’s buyijg the car see that miles on car doesn’t match miles on engine? Just wondering about the financial impact. Thanks

Carfax will show it. Probably a hit on a newer vehicle that will lessen with time......

Marky Dissod · May 28, 2024

xycrazy said:
Ok can someone please help me understand the consequences of a replaced engine?

Guess it depends on WHY it was replaced, and what kind of engine it was replaced with?

xycrazy said:
Would that impact resale value in a negative way?
Can anyone who’s buying the car see that miles on car doesn’t match miles on engine? Just wondering about the financial impact. Thanks

Why / How would it impact resale value in a negative way? Seriously.
My imagination fails me here; I'm hoping for creative yet likely examples.

OOH, wait.
Seen several 'vettes with 5.7L - 5.3L engine swaps, two 6.2L - 6.0L engine swaps.
THOSE would be NEGATIVE examples.

What I'd consider 'pretty good' would be a rebuilt / remanufactured engine.
I once replaced the 5.7L LT1 in my '94 Caprice wagon with a '95 with less miles.
That would not be as good as reman'd, but better than keeping the failing engine.

It'd be kinda rare & stupid for there to be a negative impact from replacing the engine, no?
How would it benefit resale value to keep an older engine with more miles in any vehicle?

And I still blame GM / FoMoCo / car manufacturers before I blame mechanics.
Car makers are the ones making things more difficult for mechanics, not the other way round.

Maybe not all 6.2's have the bad lifter bore/ bearing wear issues

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