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thanks for all the info and help guys, i do not know much about tuning and performance mods. anything beyond an exhaust and intake i do not know. lol
i was planning on getting the airaid tube and keeping the stock air box. for the exhaust i most likely will be going with the corsa sport.

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Jenna, dont forget he is NBS with 2 1/4" old style bends in his catback, as well as a ****** multi chamber muffler. Heck the weight loss from that monster muffler to a new style perforated flow through will show gains.
A catback will net him more usable power than the OEM crap hes got now.

If ppl think a catback will not gain any power (00-06), then why would the same ppl say get a CAI that is proven to produce even less of these non existent gains that cat backs supposedly produce.
Seems to be another waste of $$$ by that logic.

This is specifically 06 and older.. Not the new Mandrel bent pipes that 07 up use. Because then yes, I agree completely, 07 up gain little to nothing but a defferent sound with a catback.

OP, get a GMPP Stainless 3" Catback and a specter CAI, you will spend less than 500$ and have noticeable gains. Then get your Tune and have the Electric fan pins also turned on. Followed by 05 electric fans and the OEM harness.
You will be very happy for a couple months with the performance gained. Bewarned. you will want more, very soon.

thanks for the info, what is the benefit of the electric fans? can you send me links to the parts?
 

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Jenna is the only one who makes sense, and she has the knowledge and the shop to back her up. I think Black Bear has done more trucks so I would say they know what works and what doesn't. But hey, go spend your wastefully.
 

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I didn't see any performance gains when putting a Magnaflow catback nor a Corsa Touring on my 04 Tahoe.

If you are looking at the best bang for the buck exhaust vs intake, intake wins.

When testing the intakes on a dyno, the results were pretty consistent with gains across all brands- albeit, not huge.

Ask yourself this, why are there typically no tune changes needed when installing an exhaust system on a vehicle?

I really hate posts like this. They are extremely misleading to those who may not know better. I don't know if 1.you dyno anything personally, or 2.you tune anything personally, but I constantly question that when I read your responses. For the first bolded statement what exactly are you telling us? No seat of the pants? No dyno hp? No throttle response improvement? You've made a bold and broad statement that you should back up with some creditable facts or a definitive opinion. For the second part, again what is it you are really trying to say? The computer has a greater then 20%=/- fuel trim available for it to use. Of course a tune isn't "needed" in that respect because its a learning computer. It saves "trends" i.e. vehicle/weather changes into its long term trim memory and it becomes the new baseline. However, the truth is the VE is carefully calculated using stock equipment so once you deviate vehicle hardware the computer is somewhat incorrectly calculating, but not enough to cause an issue with only cold air tube and muffler swap.

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Jenna is the only one who makes sense, and she has the knowledge and the shop to back her up. I think Black Bear has done more trucks so I would say they know what works and what doesn't. But hey, go spend your wastefully.

Knowledge is power my man! But be careful with that.....YOUR knowledge is in YOUR hands. Some lonely soles such as myself can be researched if you try hard enough (typing a name into google for instance) and seek no profit from making YOU smarter. Think on that for a bit! :party52:
 

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How do you make your own tube?:wtf:
Here ya go bud. A pvc intake lol. A spectre 4" 90* with a 3" pvc to about 14" of 3" pvc. Not the best but only cost me $20 and justin said it definitely flows better than stock but not quite as good as the air raid jr tube...
 

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I really hate posts like this. They are extremely misleading to those who may not know better. I don't know if 1.you dyno anything personally, or 2.you tune anything personally, but I constantly question that when I read your responses. For the first bolded statement what exactly are you telling us? No seat of the pants? No dyno hp? No throttle response improvement? You've made a bold and broad statement that you should back up with some creditable facts or a definitive opinion. For the second part, again what is it you are really trying to say? The computer has a greater then 20%=/- fuel trim available for it to use. Of course a tune isn't "needed" in that respect because its a learning computer. It saves "trends" i.e. vehicle/weather changes into its long term trim memory and it becomes the new baseline. However, the truth is the VE is carefully calculated using stock equipment so once you deviate vehicle hardware the computer is somewhat incorrectly calculating, but not enough to cause an issue with only cold air tube and muffler swap.

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Knowledge is power my man! But be careful with that.....YOUR knowledge is in YOUR hands. Some lonely soles such as myself can be researched if you try hard enough (typing a name into google for instance) and seek no profit from making YOU smarter. Think on that for a bit! :party52:

Happy to further discuss, but most people do not want the nitty gritty details. Not sure what it is that you are wanting from me...dyno charts, how tuning is done? Fuel trims are an irrelevant factor to be honest, as it is the cause of the fuel trim change that is more relevant. Some causes of a fuel trim change result in ignition timing changes in the ECM calculation, some don't. Those that DO are significant enough to warrant a tune change.

Not here to make an argument, just stating the facts on my end. As far as making money, BBP sells all major performance parts (including intakes and exhausts). It would benefit BBP more by saying that an exhaust makes a huge difference, as they are much more expensive than the intake we typically recommend. But instead we tell our customers that an exhaust change really is more for looks/sound than anything else.

I can say for a fact, that neither the Corsa nor the Magnaflow added significant HP increase to my 04 Tahoe, less than an intake. I did add an AEM on there, but that was minimal HP increase as well. The most amount of increase I had was from the cam/LTs, and eventually a Maggie.

Bottom line though, the factory exhaust flows plenty well, well enough for the vehicle's needs. If anything, the real gains can be had by swapping out the factory Y pipe. Magnaflow makes a pretty decent bolt on replacement. Even better, go for headers...
 

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Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, with all mods, especially ones that tickle senses (noise from a cold air tube and/or muffler) you get the placebo effect. Where you want them to perform so bad, coupled with the noise, and to justify the money you spent, and then you are sure they added power, when maybe they did not. I for one felt like the K+N cold air did make the motor more responsive, and it dang sure made it louder on full throttle. Same with the muffler then tune. How much dyno hp? Who knows, but I think it was money well spent! I did do a simple tune the other day on a Denali 6.0 Sierra, added some timing, brought in VE a little earlier, leaned it out some and he picked up .2 at the strip. I thought that was fair....bone stock truck.
 

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I know between the tune, ghetto intake, muffler and efans it's definitely more enjoyable to drive. Seems quicker. Actual dyno HP I dunno. But mine faster and drives better than my uncles single cab long bed 03. However his does have the 4.8 and I have the 5.3. But mine is definitely heavier
 

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How do you make your own tube?:wtf:

Here's a few unfinished shots of mine when I was piecing it together from some used stuff off the Z28. This is all 4" piping and 4" K&N filter. Way overkill for a stock 5.3 but this ones getting a H/C 6.0 with 90mm TB and TBSS intake. I did notice the throttle response was better afterward though. Definitely noticed a difference at night when it's cooler temps outside.

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