Future 2020/21 Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban

[adventurenali92]

I just don't understand why they don't offer smaller turbo'd diesels in these big SUVs like they do in Europe. We were in Rome a few years back and an Escalade pulled up to a light and you could hear the whistle from the turbo when it accelerated and that typical diesel sound.

Most large delivery/work trucks like the Freightliner, Fiat Ducato (Think Dodge Sprinter), Mercedes, and the occasional Dodge Ram all have 1.8, 2.0, or 2.2 turbo diesels. Way better gas mileage than the 5.3 or 6.2, the same or better torque typically for towing/weight, and the turbo usually solves the acceleration problem. Especially in Italy, you have to see how much weight they put in these trucks (waiting for the shocks to pup through the mounts) and I have seen them climb those mountainous town streets effortlessly.

If it was at least an option or a typical install in your fleet vehicles like the Suburban LT which is extremely prominent in the livery market (especially on the east coast), they could reduce emissions probably by half and still meet the requirements of your typical buyers needs for towing, accelerating, etc. If I had been looking for a Burb to tow a boat or trailer I would have considered a diesel. I digress....

I would love to see this idea in play here because like you said, it makes sense on so many levels! Yet I don’t think that our EPA allows it here. I think that’s why there aren’t many examples of these running around here. I’d love to have a Denali will a small turbo diesel like the ram trucks! That would rock!

 

[GTNator]

Whatever the next generation is going to have from a feature perspective of performance perspective, its GAME ON.

The 2018 Expedition is now for the first time, serious competition for GM. GM will certainly have to up its game and try hard or even harder than they would have had the new Expedition not been as good as it is. Ultimately, this competition will be good for GM and good for us consumers.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/expedition/2018/2018-ford-expedition-first-drive-review/

 

[RThomasII]

I certainly hope the next generation redesign includes a total revamping of the 3rd row seat in the SWB version. Coming from a Lincoln Navigator I can honestly say that I am REALLY tempted to jump ship back to Ford just for that reason alone. The fact the the 3rd row is completely unusable is a joke.

 

[mlgreen]

Whatever the next generation is going to have from a feature perspective of performance perspective, its GAME ON.

The 2018 Expedition is now for the first time, serious competition for GM. GM will certainly have to up its game and try hard or even harder than they would have had the new Expedition not been as good as it is. Ultimately, this competition will be good for GM and good for us consumers.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/expedition/2018/2018-ford-expedition-first-drive-review/

Also Jeep is coming out with the full size Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer that’s supposed to compete with the entire GM full-size SUV line. From what I’ve read the Grand Wagoneer will have a top of the line loaded sticker of at or near six figures to compete with the Escalade I’m guessing.

 

[GTNator]

Also Jeep is coming out with the full size Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer that’s supposed to compete with the entire GM full-size SUV line. From what I’ve read the Grand Wagoneer will have a top of the line loaded sticker of at or near six figures to compete with the Escalade I’m guessing.

Very interesting. I had not heard that. More competition is always good for everyone.


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[JayceeP]

I certainly hope the next generation redesign includes a total revamping of the 3rd row seat in the SWB version. Coming from a Lincoln Navigator I can honestly say that I am REALLY tempted to jump ship back to Ford just for that reason alone. The fact the the 3rd row is completely unusable is a joke.

I agree. It's worse than my 4Runner. This is the reason why we were looking at a LWB but really, I think the dimensions of a Sequoia, Armada, or new Expedition are more suitable for us. We don't need a LWB.

 

[cardude2000]

Careful guys. This forum is only for fawning blindly over GM products. Any objective discussion is likely to give some people panic attacks.

Oh and I heard the next gen Tahoe will have reworked rear suspension allowing for a usable 3rd row.


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[swathdiver]

With a lot of countries and cities over in Europe starting to ban gas engines as early as 2030 and Volvo committing to a fully electric/hybrid fleet within 10 years, I'd say the dominoes will start falling.

Only in a socialist's dreams. Volvo will lose money on that one if they try it here in the USA.

I just don't understand why they don't offer smaller turbo'd diesels in these big SUVs like they do in Europe.

Because our lunatics in government want diesel engines to mimic the emissions levels of 4 cylinder gas engines. A 6.6 Duramax is a small diesel. It's the size of an LS engine and the LBZ used in the 2007 Classics would serve people and companies very well. They only reason GM and the others haven't done it is because of those commies in Washington. They used to do it and did it well.

 

[JayceeP]

Only in a socialist's dreams. Volvo will lose money on that one if they try it here in the USA.

Why is that Socialist? It's purely economical. Never mind Volvo, Tesla is making strides in the US. I've done the math, and a Tesla car would cost at least 50% less than a comparable sized sedan (I used an MPG equivalent cost). That's a huge difference and I don't think government will have to ban anything. It's just inevitable that technology will change the way we drive.

 

[cardude2000]

I just don't understand why they don't offer smaller turbo'd diesels in these big SUVs like they do in Europe. We were in Rome a few years back and an Escalade pulled up to a light and you could hear the whistle from the turbo when it accelerated and that typical diesel sound.

Most large delivery/work trucks like the Freightliner, Fiat Ducato (Think Dodge Sprinter), Mercedes, and the occasional Dodge Ram all have 1.8, 2.0, or 2.2 turbo diesels. Way better gas mileage than the 5.3 or 6.2, the same or better torque typically for towing/weight, and the turbo usually solves the acceleration problem. Especially in Italy, you have to see how much weight they put in these trucks (waiting for the shocks to pup through the mounts) and I have seen them climb those mountainous town streets effortlessly.

If it was at least an option or a typical install in your fleet vehicles like the Suburban LT which is extremely prominent in the livery market (especially on the east coast), they could reduce emissions probably by half and still meet the requirements of your typical buyers needs for towing, accelerating, etc. If I had been looking for a Burb to tow a boat or trailer I would have considered a diesel. I digress....

Jeep, Jaguar, Land Rover, BMW and Mercedes all offer turbo diesels in their suv lineup.

The American manufacturers, for whatever reason are laggards for sure. But I believe they sell diesel variants in Europe and chevy is adding diesel options to their mid level suv lineup in 2018 I think.

Oh and something something evil govt.