Gas prices making anyone reconsider?

[firsttimetahoe]

yea but , what if you need to drive 800miles a day 5 days a week

You probably shouldn’t be driving a gas guzzling Full Size V8 if that’s the case…

 

[SSGUNNER]

no oil changes, air filters, belts, hoses, spark plugs, coils, brake pad changes are extended way out as they use regen to slow down 90% of the time, hard hard braking uses the pads

You forgot that with regen you MUST replace tires every 12 months. Extend that and you are certainly asking for trouble. One of the things tesla doesnt mention right off the bat…

 

[SnowDrifter]

You forgot that with regen you MUST replace tires every 12 months. Extend that and you are certainly asking for trouble. One of the things tesla doesnt mention right off the bat…

Huh?

 

[Polo08816]

You forgot that with regen you MUST replace tires every 12 months. Extend that and you are certainly asking for trouble. One of the things tesla doesnt mention right off the bat…

Huh?

I'm confused as to why someone would need to replace their tires every 12 months due to "regen"?

 

[Stbentoak]

My neighbor has a Tesla and also a RAM Pickup. they use it exactly for what it is for.... Every day back and forth locally to work and to things they do w/in say 50 miles. If it needs service a tesla van backs into their driveway, hooks up some cables, and 20 min later, he's gone. But when they need to go across the state or to any long-distance function, it stays home. I'm not against one if you are w/in a 50-mile radius mostly for everyday for daily use....

 

[pwtr02ss]

You forgot that with regen you MUST replace tires every 12 months. Extend that and you are certainly asking for trouble. One of the things tesla doesnt mention right off the bat…

That is certainly untrue. I think people confuse the reason behind tire wear. Instant torque along with a higher performance tire. People like to feel that power so more aggressive launches happen more frequently. No maintenance means people also aren't rotating the tires at proper intervals. All that combined leads to faster tire wear

Also, you can adjust the regen sensitivity from heavy to low, just for the record.

 

[randeez]

That is certainly untrue. I think people confuse the reason behind tire wear. Instant torque along with a higher performance tire. People like to feel that power so more aggressive launches happen more frequently. No maintenance means people also aren't rotating the tires at proper intervals. All that combined leads to faster tire wear

Also, you can adjust the regen sensitivity from heavy to low, just for the record.

and they weigh nearly 5k lbs on soft performance tire

 

[SSGUNNER]

Huh?

I get some folks are visual learners… so here you go:

That is certainly untrue. I think people confuse the reason behind tire wear. Instant torque along with a higher performance tire. People like to feel that power so more aggressive launches happen more frequently. No maintenance means people also aren't rotating the tires at proper intervals. All that combined leads to faster tire wear

Also, you can adjust the regen sensitivity from heavy to low, just for the record.

I'm confused as to why someone would need to replace their tires every 12 months due to "regen"?

Discussions on this matter have been going on for some time. Im just stating the facts from owners I know and this debate down below. Don’t shoot the messenger just remember the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/premature-tire-wear-from-regen-braking-system.176339/page-4

 

[SnowDrifter]

Huh?


I get some folks are visual learners… so here you go:

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Discussions on this matter have been going on for some time. Im just stating the facts from owners I know and this debate down below. Don’t shoot the messenger just remember the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/premature-tire-wear-from-regen-braking-system.176339/page-4

My thoughts on it:

I reckon it's a combination of
- vehicle weight (those little model S's weigh almost as much as our rigs!)
- Tire compound - SUV tires geeeeneralllyyyyy are a touch harder on the compound. Go dig your fingernails into some rubber next time you're at the tire shop
- Torque - big difference in tire wear depending on driving style, all else equal

As far as the tire is concerned, it sees weight, torque, and speed. It's agnostic to the method of deceleration, whether it be brake pad or motor.

What I could see, is regen braking shifting driver habits to a much more erratic style, similar to a 2 foot driver, and that being a cause for some extra wear. But that's about as far as I'll believe.




Aaaaaand to the thread at hand:

Reconsidering my vehicle? Hell no. It's painful, but in the grand scheme, a couple months of higher gas prices? Not really a big deal.

Some napkin math: I'll generally use 15-20 gallons of fuel a week. At $3.50 a gallon vs $5.50 a gallon, that's $70 vs $110. Δ$40/week. I figure it'll probably take 6-8 months or so to settle down and return to normal. So over 20 weeks, that's an $800 differential in operating costs. Assuming nothing else changes in my schedule.

800 bucks sucks, but it's not something I can make an argument for with respect to uprooting my vehicle. Ultimately, I drive a full size because I need the space. And I need it often enough that if I used a u-haul every time I needed it, they'd know my face when I walked in. 20 bucks for a cargo van, plus mileage fees, every month, would eat any cost savings I'd achieve by trading my rig in for a corolla. And buying 2 vehicles? Well, that's 2 insurance bills. Figure insurance would be an extra 300/6mo. On top of the $10-15k for purchasing the vehicle (used car market is still screwy). Break even time for that is measured in decades. So that's not really an appropriate approach.

Realistically, I've been driving a bit less. I'll run my errands all at once, vs going out for a quick trip. I'll take my bike more places instead of firing up the car. I drive much more 'lax' now vs. jumping in the left lane and going 90-95. So my actual expenditure cost on fuel really.... Hasn't changed. It's more expensive, but I use less of it.


I own my vehicle outright. It's reliable. The worst issue with it is a crack on the driver's side armrest. It's safe, it's comfortable, and I frankly enjoy driving it. I've had a soft spot for these rigs since I was a wee lad (don't you just my choice of dream car!). Unless we're spending $10 bucks a gallon on gas long-term, there's no objective cost-saving measure I can take with respect to changing vehicles.

Practically speaking, my rig needs to last another 10 years. After that, I'd expect our charging infrastructure should be sorted, second-owner trends / warranties / etc would be at least predictable (don't see too much info on second-owners if they need to replace batteries or not). Solid state batteries would be entering the market, or even if not - our recycling plants would be spooled up for battery recycling. I should be done needing full-size space and could retire this thing to a beater/hauler. Maybe we could get a plug in full-size at that time.

 

[R32driver]

We just filled our onsite gas tank with 300 gallons of regular so price is "locked in" for us for the time being