2022 order cutoff to 2023 order-to-availability

[Polo08816]

Just today, the Fed chairman was unequivocally saying that they would be getting more aggressive on interest rates with at least one 50 basis point hike coming in the near future. The Fed will need to play some serious catch up and we're in for some significant challenges.
Also, "many many Americans"... I think the upper middle class and wealthy American families did fine during the pandemic - any demographic with substantial assets in equities. But that's not the vast majority of Americans. The average American is getting owned by inflation because they didn't own any real estate to get in on the real estate boom and they don't own significant equity holdings where they got in on the stock market boom either.

People are going to be better off waiting unless they "need" a vehicle today. I can't see myself spending that money on a de-featured vehicle as a matter of principle.

understand what you are saying…that the auctions prices may be coming down…but if they are, the dealers definitely aren’t passing those savings on to the consumer….

there are several 22 Tahoe Z71s within a reasonable distance of my location (some with a couple hundred miles, some with a few thousand)…all priced closer to $80k than $75k…and these aren’t loaded out rigs..stopped in at a local dealer, asking $79k+ for a 22 Z71 with a MSRP under $65k. Even if they sell it for $4-5k less than what they have it listed for, it’s still $8-10k over sticker

I’ll find out here in a couple weeks when we try and sell our 2021 AT4

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It's a matter of when, not if, those decreases will be passed on to the consumer.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

Those prices are disgusting. You can build a brand new 22 Z71 with every package and add-on for around 80k.

 

[todayusay]

It's a matter of when, not if, those decreases will be passed on to the consumer.

agreed. but the topic is revolving around when the mark up on both used and new Tahoes/Yukons will evaporate - not just pull back some...even if a "used" Tahoe isn't bringing $10-12-15k over MSRP, any trim over a LS/LT is still going to command a premium (over MSRP) for at a minimum the next 12 months....that's just my opinion.

When there are still people paying the market adjustment on new Tahoes/Yukons, the demand on the used side will remain...like the other poster mentioned, if there isn't any stock inventory to be bought...whether we agree with it or not, consumers will continue to seek out options.

Most don't want to go through the process of buying a new vehicle every 5-6 months but
a buyer, with a little leg work, should be able to order a LT or above at MSRP... then turn around and order another one when they pick up the ordered unit and continue to trade every 6 months at least until summer of 2023 and sell/trade the other one for at a minimum what they paid for it

the dealer at the link below has an interesting approach, they have their current incoming/ordered vehicles listed and if those vehicles already have a deposit placed on them...HD trucks and large SUVs are all spoken for...when this trend flips and most dealers don't already have the majority of their large SUVs "sold" is when this market will pull back.

That is ultimately the biggest unknown, is that a business model that the car companies will ever go back to?

https://www.redriverchevy.com/vehicles-in-production/

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[todayusay]

and the topic that really hasn't been addressed - MSRP increases...will play a role as well.

Just noticed that GM has started to implement mid-year price increases (guess you could say end of the model year increases) - which will allow for the 2023MY increases to be even larger.

 

[Stbentoak]

This really isn’t that hard. Vehicles are in high demand especially SUV’s and trucks. Car lots are empty. Not refilling. Supply chain restrictions will continue and not abate for at least 12 months. Could actually get worse. MSRP’s will go higher every year.
Dealer model will never go back to excess vehicles on the lot any longer, all major manufacturers have made noise about going to the “come in and order it and get what you want” model in showrooms. The few vehicles that will be on dealer lots will go for MSRP. Won’t be any negotiating unless it’s a mass-produced Camry or Accord. SUVs and trucks have been and will continue to be a hot ticket for the foreseeable future.

 

[Buffalown]

Just today, the Fed chairman was unequivocally saying that they would be getting more aggressive on interest rates with at least one 50 basis point hike coming in the near future. The Fed will need to play some serious catch up and we're in for some significant challenges.
Also, "many many Americans"... I think the upper middle class and wealthy American families did fine during the pandemic - any demographic with substantial assets in equities. But that's not the vast majority of Americans. The average American is getting owned by inflation because they didn't own any real estate to get in on the real estate boom and they don't own significant equity holdings where they got in on the stock market boom either.

I don’t think the demographic that is purchasing these vehicles will be put off by a percentage point or two on their financing deal…the fact is demand is currently much higher than supply and I can’t see that changing any time in the foreseeable future. If you are choosing to wait it out to get a better deal you may be waiting for a long time (I do agree on never paying over MSRP, I’d sooner walk to work than do that)

 

[Joe Butcher]

It is great to see lively interest product ordering despite the results in the latest Consumer report! I am a older owner from the 76 k Blazer days,with the 95 Tahoe still in the family,currently driving 2013 Tahoe. I miss the tailgate, Front Recovery hooks, Locking diff, from the older models. The rear load floor with the 3rd row removed was really Tough , and now it is mostly back of seats. Sure like to hear some comments about the current rear end with limited slip. I've not heard much lifter info lately. It may not be all bad as those with issues got a extended warranty!

 

[Polo08816]

Looks like another Chapman Ford in the NJ/PA area is publicly offering 2% off invoice pricing on new Expedition orders. It joins a list of other Ford dealerships advertising ordering an Expedition below invoice: https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/now-ordering-2022-expedition-at-2-under-invoice.50348/

Koons Woodbridge Ford (5% below invoice)
Granger Ford (3% below invoice)

 

[DenaliCountry]

This really isn’t that hard. Vehicles are in high demand especially SUV’s and trucks. Car lots are empty. Not refilling. Supply chain restrictions will continue and not abate for at least 12 months. Could actually get worse. MSRP’s will go higher every year.
Dealer model will never go back to excess vehicles on the lot any longer, all major manufacturers have made noise about going to the “come in and order it and get what you want” model in showrooms. The few vehicles that will be on dealer lots will go for MSRP. Won’t be any negotiating unless it’s a mass-produced Camry or Accord. SUVs and trucks have been and will continue to be a hot ticket for the foreseeable future.

100% This. Nothing is getting cheaper and dealer "over inventory" mark downs are a way of the past.

 

[DenaliCountry]

Hopefully that's the case. If not, I'll be putting off my order until 2024. Hopefully the economy tanks by then.

Ahhhh yes, lets hope the American people fall on even harder times so you can get a $5K discount on your Yukon lol.