2022 order cutoff to 2023 order-to-availability

[Cop35758]

My dealership believes 2023 orders will begin in the next 30 days.

 

[Cop35758]

Dupe post.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/04/chip-shortage-study-shows-half-of-consumers-would-postpone-vehicle-purchase/

Why pay a premium for a luxury purchase? If it's a necessity, it's different.

I have never really followed the Tahoe/Yukon market prior to this year….but during normal times & pre-covid where there was sufficient supply and no demand issues….we’re people actually buying these specific vehicles at a substantial discount to MSRP? Or were you getting just a few thousand off MSRP?

I always assumed the Traverses and Arcadia’s of the world was where you can get a deal. But I never remember seeing great deals advertised for a Tahoe or Yukon - I also wasn’t looking closely for deals but in my newspaper ads I’d always see deals for everything but these cars.

 

[firsttimetahoe]

My dealership believes 2023 orders will begin in the next 30 days.

From what I’ve read GM needs to accept your current order before April ends or your order gets shifted to a 2023.

If you wait until May until they start taking 2023 orders, you’ll already be behind a ton of people. There are a lot of orders that have not been accepted just on this forum alone. I can’t imagine what the actual number is since this is a small minority of people

 

[Polo08816]

I have never really followed the Tahoe/Yukon market prior to this year….but during normal times & pre-covid where there was sufficient supply and no demand issues….we’re people actually buying these specific vehicles at a substantial discount to MSRP? Or were you getting just a few thousand off MSRP?

I always assumed the Traverses and Arcadia’s of the world was where you can get a deal. But I never remember seeing great deals advertised for a Tahoe or Yukon - I also wasn’t looking closely for deals but in my newspaper ads I’d always see deals for everything but these cars.

I think these 1/2 ton based SUVs were at a substantial discount under MSRP during normal times. Below invoice was common.

I've never followed the Traverse/Acadia market. I did not find GM mid-size SUVs desirable. It was either the Ford Explorer or a European mid-size SUV like a BMW X5.

 

[todayusay]

generally speaking, Pre-covid, just about any mass produced vehicle could be bought at a significant discount with minimal work/research…even with the rebates reducing over the past 10yrs or so…you still have buyers that will walk into a dealer and offer invoice or $500 over leaving thousands on the table

 

[firsttimetahoe]

I think these 1/2 ton based SUVs were at a substantial discount under MSRP during normal times. Below invoice was common.

I've never followed the Traverse/Acadia market. I did not find GM mid-size SUVs desirable. It was either the Ford Explorer or a European mid-size SUV like a BMW X5.

What is substantial? I’m just saying they were never marketed where I live for a sale. It was always the smaller SUVs. These always were higher priced and generally considered expensive cars

But let’s go back to 2016. If MSRP was let’s say $55k what would you be able to get a dealer down to?

 

[Polo08816]

What is substantial? I’m just saying they were never marketed where I live for a sale. It was always the smaller SUVs. These always were higher priced and generally considered expensive cars

But let’s go back to 2016. If MSRP was let’s say $55k what would you be able to get a dealer down to?

My offer then would have been invoice pricing minus any manufacturer incentives to the retail customer or dealer. If you timed it right, I think you'd be looking at $1000-3000 below invoice. I never started from MSRP.

I was also willing to travel to any reputable dealership in the continental US and make it a road trip as well since I get 4+ weeks of vacation per year.

 

[todayusay]

What is substantial? I’m just saying they were never marketed where I live for a sale. It was always the smaller SUVs. These always were higher priced and generally considered expensive cars

But let’s go back to 2016. If MSRP was let’s say $55k what would you be able to get a dealer down to?

Here's a sample below in your timeframe/MSRP- $9k off...I hoard in real life and electronically...i think our 2019 we got almost $12k off but could be wrong on that one. Thing is it's not like the majority of dealers used to offer these types of deals, its either the largest dealer in the region or a smaller dealer looking to meet volume numbers because their monthly quotas are historically low

Just bought a 2022 Ram 3500 (ordered), MSRP at order was $73k (say that because MSRP when it arrived was $76k).... paid $64.2k....this was with only a $500 rebate that not everyone qualifies for - so dealer discount was right at $8k off the initial order - Ram allows dealers to price protect if the dealer will actually do it - so my MSRP went up $3k as Ram had two price increases during the 3 months and neither I or the dealer incurred the additional charges. There are dealers still charging over MSRP on these types of trucks and people are still paying it...

point is that there used to be (still are) deals to be had out there...just not a lot right now on the Tahoes/Yukons...MSRP is almost sometime to brag about

 

[Polo08816]

Here's a sample below in your timeframe/MSRP- $9k off...I hoard in real life and electronically...i think our 2019 we got almost $12k off but could be wrong on that one. Thing is it's not like the majority of dealers used to offer these types of deals, its either the largest dealer in the region or a smaller dealer looking to meet volume numbers because their monthly quotas are historically low

Just bought a 2022 Ram 3500 (ordered), MSRP at order was $73k (say that because MSRP when it arrived was $76k).... paid $64.2k....this was with only a $500 rebate that not everyone qualifies for - so dealer discount was right at $8k off the initial order - Ram allows dealers to price protect if the dealer will actually do it - so my MSRP went up $3k as Ram had two price increases during the 3 months and neither I or the dealer incurred the additional charges. There are dealers still charging over MSRP on these types of trucks and people are still paying it...

point is that there used to be (still are) deals to be had out there...just not a lot right now on the Tahoes/Yukons...MSRP is almost sometime to brag about

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I agree. There are deals, you just have to be willing to wait and travel to the dealer which I'm personally okay with.

I'm personally waiting for the Fed to tank the economy and cause some demand destruction. That's probably going to be late 2023 into 2024.

At that point I'll choose whether a 1/2 ton based full size SUV or a 1 ton SRW gas pickup makes the most sense for me. Both markets should be mature by then - meaning competitors would have introduced completely new models or complete a mid cycle enhancement.