Future 2020/21 Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban

[HiHoeSilver]

And they (Ford) should be insecure, GM sells an order of magnitude more of these truck based SUVs than Ford does.


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And yet they decide to lose the solid rear axle...

 

[GTNator]

And yet they decide to lose the solid rear axle...

Yes that’s true, but I am very happy GM is not following Ford into aluminum bodies. That Expedition is paper thin, lots of reports of the body being pierced by small objects in weird places during an accident that otherwise would not have entered the body had it been made of steel.


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[cardude2000]

Ford is shamelessly copying GMs design.

I completely agree. Some here think they look nothing alike which is odd to me.

 

[cardude2000]

if you can't afford the gas you should not be driving or move closer to work?

I work from home and assure you
I can afford it ;-). I can also afford to leave my house windows open in the winter but choose not to.

My point was that more powertrain options are better than less.

 

[MichaelSE]

And yet they decide to lose the solid rear axle...

Still makes zero sense to me. GM's SUVs sell well with the solid rear. It's not a make-it-or-break-it for any buyers. The independent rear is more expensive, more complex, potentially reduces capability. I see no upside.

 

[WillCO]

Still makes zero sense to me. GM's SUVs sell well with the solid rear. It's not a make-it-or-break-it for any buyers. The independent rear is more expensive, more complex, potentially reduces capability. I see no upside.

It's automotive journalism upside - the press thinks that an independent rear is necessary for a truck to be acceptably modern. I agree with you, this is obviously not costing GM market share. I feel a little friskiness in the back end over highway bumps that might not be there with a more refined suspension, but it's not a big deal and definitely not a problem I would pay money to solve.

 

[UrbanSuburban]

IRS or not IRS or Solid Axle, its really not going to be an issue with most. Notwithstanding the groups like this forum who have solid reasons to keep the solid axle. But I don't think its Ford that is driving the need for IRS, but rather Cadillac. Cadillac wanted with this new 2020 gen to have a smaller escalade that was not truck based but on its own platform that does not cross pollinate with the CHevy and GMC. Never mind that the Escalade is over 50 percent of Cadillac sales but they wanted to compete with Landrover and Lexus and other so called 'Luxury' makes. GM nixed that for this upcoming Gen but it may for the one after. Ford has had IRS for years on its Expeditions/Navigatgors, it has not caused an avalanche of buyers.

 

[cardude2000]

Still makes zero sense to me. GM's SUVs sell well with the solid rear. It's not a make-it-or-break-it for any buyers. The independent rear is more expensive, more complex, potentially reduces capability. I see no upside.

Better ride/handling and much more interior space is the upside. The Tahoe is larger than a minivan with MUCH less cargo room.

 

[swathdiver]

Better ride/handling and much more interior space is the upside. The Tahoe is larger than a minivan with MUCH less cargo room.

Often true but no minivan can pull a house! Our Pontiac Montana's cabins are about the same size as my XL. Little more 3rd Row leg room and a little less cargo space in the rear compared to a Suburban. They can tow up to 3500 pounds while my GMC is more than twice that. Then you have the off road capability too.

 

[cardude2000]

Often true but no minivan can pull a house! Our Pontiac Montana's cabins are about the same size as my XL. Little more 3rd Row leg room and a little less cargo space in the rear compared to a Suburban. They can tow up to 3500 pounds while my GMC is more than twice that. Then you have the off road capability too.

I assure you I’m not lobbying for minivans LOL. I’m simply saying that for the size, the Tahoe interior is underwhelming from a cargo and legroom standpoint. Much of that has to do with the rear suspension set up.